Got that idea as well but are they allowed to lie like that?
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The Anni Dewani Murder Case
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Technically they aren't lying. They'll take reasonable steps like they do other prisoners doesn't make any guarantees he won't get violated.
LazyLion
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You are asking if the South African Government is allowed to lie like that? :wtf:
I don't believe they're allowed to be truthful
blunomore
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Based on exactly WHAT are they making an exception for him????
Every prisoner would like special treatment.
Every prisoner would like special treatment.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
They often make exceptions for high profile prisoners whose lives may be under threat.
Donavan Moodley was also like that for the first few months of his incarceration.
He was only really moved into the general prison population AFTER his trial was over.
blunomore
Honorary Master
Not arguing with you Gary, but I fail to see why an accused (high profile or otherwise) would be more at risk during a trial than after a trial.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Ja as stated above it is more likely that it is just blustering words, and a ploy by the government to get them to trial.
The government makes a big deal about the reformation of prisoners in South African jails, but we all know that is a load of kark.
LazyLion
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Psychiatrist Dr Ian Cumming went through a series of his reports about honeymoon murder-accused Shrien Dewani in a London court on Tuesday.
The British Press Association reported this included details of an interview where Dewani described the day his wife Anni was shot.
He said the attackers "got really nasty" and recounted how he had knocked on the doors of shacks to raise the alarm.
According to Shrien Dewani his wife was shot when a minibus taxi the couple were in was hijacked in the Gugulethu, Cape Town, in November 2010.
Dewani, 33, and driver Zola Tongo were ejected from the car before Anni Dewani was driven away and killed. She was found dead in the back of the abandoned vehicle with a bullet wound to her neck.
Dewani is accused of orchestrating the death. He is facing extradition to South Africa to stand trial for her murder, in which he denies any involvement.
Cumming told the court that during his four-hour interview with Dewani in 2012, the businessman became tearful when he spoke about Anni and the topic was "emotionally charged".
However, Cumming was able to get "adequate information" from Dewani about what had happened that day and in the run-up to the murder.
Dewani has received treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder and depression since his wife's death, most recently at two units near Bristol.
He tried to take an overdose in 2011, but since then had not spoken directly about self-harm or suicide, the court heard.
He was allowed to use his laptop computer to access the internet at the Fromeside and Blaise View mental health units, and was allowed to walk home, accompanied by a member of staff, for visits daily.
Dewani was also given permission to buy a camper van, which he set up in the grounds of Fromeside, and spent large periods of time in it.
Cumming said: "A large part of the day he was sitting in a camper van in the grounds."
He told the court clinicians could have pushed Dewani more to aid his recovery.
"Sometimes you have to push things a bit with the individual. You have to make them do things that they don't want to. I got a sense of them not doing that. To my mind there could have been more robustness in their approach."
The forensic psychiatrist said legal proceedings had made it more difficult to treat his post-traumatic stress disorder.
"With the legal proceedings it makes it more difficult. At the end of the day getting better brings with it the real prospect of going to another country and facing something very unpleasant and very difficult," he said.
Dewani had difficulty understanding the court process but said he wanted the case to be resolved.
"He said to me 'I want to get this sorted out' but he didn't seem to want to take it any further. The initiative on his part wasn't there."
Last year South African Xolile Mngeni was convicted of premeditated murder for shooting Dewani.
Prosecutors claimed he was a hitman Dewani hired to kill his new wife, something Dewani has consistently denied.
Tongo was jailed for 18 years after he admitted his part in the crime. Another accomplice, Mziwamadoda Qwabe, also pleaded guilty to charges over the murder and was handed a 25-year prison sentence.
Members of both Dewani and Anni's families were in court again on Tuesday for the second day of a five-day extradition hearing. Dewani himself has been excused from attending.
Source : Sapa /str/gq/hdw/jk/th
Date : 02 Jul 2013 16:28
The British Press Association reported this included details of an interview where Dewani described the day his wife Anni was shot.
He said the attackers "got really nasty" and recounted how he had knocked on the doors of shacks to raise the alarm.
According to Shrien Dewani his wife was shot when a minibus taxi the couple were in was hijacked in the Gugulethu, Cape Town, in November 2010.
Dewani, 33, and driver Zola Tongo were ejected from the car before Anni Dewani was driven away and killed. She was found dead in the back of the abandoned vehicle with a bullet wound to her neck.
Dewani is accused of orchestrating the death. He is facing extradition to South Africa to stand trial for her murder, in which he denies any involvement.
Cumming told the court that during his four-hour interview with Dewani in 2012, the businessman became tearful when he spoke about Anni and the topic was "emotionally charged".
However, Cumming was able to get "adequate information" from Dewani about what had happened that day and in the run-up to the murder.
Dewani has received treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder and depression since his wife's death, most recently at two units near Bristol.
He tried to take an overdose in 2011, but since then had not spoken directly about self-harm or suicide, the court heard.
He was allowed to use his laptop computer to access the internet at the Fromeside and Blaise View mental health units, and was allowed to walk home, accompanied by a member of staff, for visits daily.
Dewani was also given permission to buy a camper van, which he set up in the grounds of Fromeside, and spent large periods of time in it.
Cumming said: "A large part of the day he was sitting in a camper van in the grounds."
He told the court clinicians could have pushed Dewani more to aid his recovery.
"Sometimes you have to push things a bit with the individual. You have to make them do things that they don't want to. I got a sense of them not doing that. To my mind there could have been more robustness in their approach."
The forensic psychiatrist said legal proceedings had made it more difficult to treat his post-traumatic stress disorder.
"With the legal proceedings it makes it more difficult. At the end of the day getting better brings with it the real prospect of going to another country and facing something very unpleasant and very difficult," he said.
Dewani had difficulty understanding the court process but said he wanted the case to be resolved.
"He said to me 'I want to get this sorted out' but he didn't seem to want to take it any further. The initiative on his part wasn't there."
Last year South African Xolile Mngeni was convicted of premeditated murder for shooting Dewani.
Prosecutors claimed he was a hitman Dewani hired to kill his new wife, something Dewani has consistently denied.
Tongo was jailed for 18 years after he admitted his part in the crime. Another accomplice, Mziwamadoda Qwabe, also pleaded guilty to charges over the murder and was handed a 25-year prison sentence.
Members of both Dewani and Anni's families were in court again on Tuesday for the second day of a five-day extradition hearing. Dewani himself has been excused from attending.
Source : Sapa /str/gq/hdw/jk/th
Date : 02 Jul 2013 16:28
LazyLion
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Psychiatrist Dr Ian Cumming told a London court on Tuesday that honeymoon murder-accused Shrien Dewani had told him he wanted to fight the charges against him.
"He said he wanted to prove that he hadn't done anything wrong," Cumming said, the British Press Association reported.
Dewani told Cumming this during a interview.
"He said he didn't think about the case and said: 'I'm right, I haven't done anything wrong, the truth will come out. I don't have anything to hide'."
However, Cumming said the 33-year-old would not suddenly volunteer to go to South Africa.
"I think that sometimes pushing patients on towards difficult things may be actually acting in their interests. It could well be that in six months or a year's time we have exactly the same position," he said.
"There's something to be said for getting on with it. Mr Dewani is not going to wake up one day and suddenly say 'I'm ready to do this'. I just don't think that's going to happen. I think he has got to be edged towards it, and I think the clinicians have a responsibility in that."
According to Dewani, his wife was shot when a minibus taxi the couple was in was hijacked in the Gugulethu, Cape Town, in November 2010.
Dewani and driver Zola Tongo were ejected from the car before Anni Dewani was driven away and killed. She was found dead in the back of the abandoned vehicle with a bullet wound to her neck.
Dewani is accused of orchestrating the death. He faces extradition to South Africa to stand trial for her murder, in which he denies any involvement.
Last year, South African Xolile Mngeni was convicted of premeditated murder for shooting Anni Dewani.
Prosecutors claimed Dewani hired him to kill his new wife, something Dewani has consistently denied.
Tongo was jailed for 18 years after he admitted his part in the crime. Another accomplice, Mziwamadoda Qwabe, also pleaded guilty to charges related to the murder and was given a 25-year prison sentence.
Members of both Shrien and Anni Dewani's families were in court again on Tuesday for the second day of a five-day extradition hearing. Dewani has been excused from attending.
Source : Sapa /str/gq/hdw/clh/th
Date : 02 Jul 2013 17:35
"He said he wanted to prove that he hadn't done anything wrong," Cumming said, the British Press Association reported.
Dewani told Cumming this during a interview.
"He said he didn't think about the case and said: 'I'm right, I haven't done anything wrong, the truth will come out. I don't have anything to hide'."
However, Cumming said the 33-year-old would not suddenly volunteer to go to South Africa.
"I think that sometimes pushing patients on towards difficult things may be actually acting in their interests. It could well be that in six months or a year's time we have exactly the same position," he said.
"There's something to be said for getting on with it. Mr Dewani is not going to wake up one day and suddenly say 'I'm ready to do this'. I just don't think that's going to happen. I think he has got to be edged towards it, and I think the clinicians have a responsibility in that."
According to Dewani, his wife was shot when a minibus taxi the couple was in was hijacked in the Gugulethu, Cape Town, in November 2010.
Dewani and driver Zola Tongo were ejected from the car before Anni Dewani was driven away and killed. She was found dead in the back of the abandoned vehicle with a bullet wound to her neck.
Dewani is accused of orchestrating the death. He faces extradition to South Africa to stand trial for her murder, in which he denies any involvement.
Last year, South African Xolile Mngeni was convicted of premeditated murder for shooting Anni Dewani.
Prosecutors claimed Dewani hired him to kill his new wife, something Dewani has consistently denied.
Tongo was jailed for 18 years after he admitted his part in the crime. Another accomplice, Mziwamadoda Qwabe, also pleaded guilty to charges related to the murder and was given a 25-year prison sentence.
Members of both Shrien and Anni Dewani's families were in court again on Tuesday for the second day of a five-day extradition hearing. Dewani has been excused from attending.
Source : Sapa /str/gq/hdw/clh/th
Date : 02 Jul 2013 17:35
LazyLion
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Sending Dewani to SA may be 'kind'
It may be a "kind thing" to return honeymoon murder accused Shrien Dewani to South Africa sooner rather than later, a London court heard on Wednesday.
"It could be six months, then another six months, then on and on," psychiatrist Dr Ian Cumming said, the British Press Association reported.
"It could make things worse and could be better to get on with it. Actually it may be a kind thing for him to actually get on."
Cumming visited South Africa and had been reassured that Dewani would be admitted to a general ward at Valkenberg Hospital in Cape Town, rather than a unit where people were sent by the courts.
He was confident the standard of Dewani's ongoing medical treatment would be "robust" and would not drop once he left Britain.
"The receiving hospital there will prepare themselves very well," said Cumming.
"There will be exchange of information and reports and a handover. It is likely a nurse will accompany him from the UK to South Africa.
"I think they would make it as robust as possible. They would not stop whatever medication he is on. That would be bad practice and they would not do that."
Dewani, 33, who has depression and post traumatic stress disorder, is accused of orchestrating the death of his 28-year-old wife Anni. She was shot as the newly-wed couple travelled in a minibus taxi on the outskirts of Cape Town in November 2010.
Dewani is facing extradition to South Africa for her murder, in which he denies any involvement.
The Westminster Magistrate's Court in London heard that in 2011, Dewani tried to take an overdose, but since then had not spoken directly about self-harm or suicide.
Cumming said Dewani's attitude towards suicide was that "he would not be bothered if he was dead" rather than saying he would kill himself.
He was "evasive" about these questions, but did not seem to have active plans on the matter.
Dewani's post traumatic stress was severe, his depressive illness was moderate to severe, and his current risk of self harm was real and significant, but not immediate, said Cumming.
He had received treatment for his mental condition since his wife's death, most recently at two units near Bristol. The place where he was currently being treated seemed to be a "protective mechanism for him", Cumming said.
Previously, Dewani's lawyers expressed concerns that he would be a high suicide risk if he returned to South Africa, and that his human rights could be breached because of the risk of violent and sexual assaults in jail, and of contracting HIV or Aids.
The South African authorities said if he was found not to be mentally ill, he would be given a single cell in prison to reduce the risk of attack.
Travel arrangements to get Dewani back to South Africa would involve "a lot of logistical and planning" and perhaps even sedation. This "would not be ideal" but, according to Cumming, such arrangements would be possible.
Source : Sapa /str/gq/hdw/jk/th
Date : 03 Jul 2013 16:24
It may be a "kind thing" to return honeymoon murder accused Shrien Dewani to South Africa sooner rather than later, a London court heard on Wednesday.
"It could be six months, then another six months, then on and on," psychiatrist Dr Ian Cumming said, the British Press Association reported.
"It could make things worse and could be better to get on with it. Actually it may be a kind thing for him to actually get on."
Cumming visited South Africa and had been reassured that Dewani would be admitted to a general ward at Valkenberg Hospital in Cape Town, rather than a unit where people were sent by the courts.
He was confident the standard of Dewani's ongoing medical treatment would be "robust" and would not drop once he left Britain.
"The receiving hospital there will prepare themselves very well," said Cumming.
"There will be exchange of information and reports and a handover. It is likely a nurse will accompany him from the UK to South Africa.
"I think they would make it as robust as possible. They would not stop whatever medication he is on. That would be bad practice and they would not do that."
Dewani, 33, who has depression and post traumatic stress disorder, is accused of orchestrating the death of his 28-year-old wife Anni. She was shot as the newly-wed couple travelled in a minibus taxi on the outskirts of Cape Town in November 2010.
Dewani is facing extradition to South Africa for her murder, in which he denies any involvement.
The Westminster Magistrate's Court in London heard that in 2011, Dewani tried to take an overdose, but since then had not spoken directly about self-harm or suicide.
Cumming said Dewani's attitude towards suicide was that "he would not be bothered if he was dead" rather than saying he would kill himself.
He was "evasive" about these questions, but did not seem to have active plans on the matter.
Dewani's post traumatic stress was severe, his depressive illness was moderate to severe, and his current risk of self harm was real and significant, but not immediate, said Cumming.
He had received treatment for his mental condition since his wife's death, most recently at two units near Bristol. The place where he was currently being treated seemed to be a "protective mechanism for him", Cumming said.
Previously, Dewani's lawyers expressed concerns that he would be a high suicide risk if he returned to South Africa, and that his human rights could be breached because of the risk of violent and sexual assaults in jail, and of contracting HIV or Aids.
The South African authorities said if he was found not to be mentally ill, he would be given a single cell in prison to reduce the risk of attack.
Travel arrangements to get Dewani back to South Africa would involve "a lot of logistical and planning" and perhaps even sedation. This "would not be ideal" but, according to Cumming, such arrangements would be possible.
Source : Sapa /str/gq/hdw/jk/th
Date : 03 Jul 2013 16:24
AirWolf
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Your post might get quoted by his lawyer to get him off...
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
SA extradition decision due for British murder suspect
A London court will on Wednesday rule whether a British man accused of orchestrating his bride's murder on their South African honeymoon is mentally fit to face extradition.
Shrien Dewani, 33, is wanted in South Africa over the murder of his wife Anni, who was shot dead when their car was apparently hijacked outside Cape Town in 2010.
British judges delayed Dewani's extradition on the grounds that he is suffering from serious depression and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
But the ruling is finally due to be handed down at Westminster Magistrates Court on Wednesday following a mental health assessment.
The businessman, who is being treated at a psychiatric hospital, denies any involvement in the killing of his Swedish wife, who was, like him, of Indian origin.
A South African man, Xolile Mngeni, was jailed for life for the murder in December. Two other local men jailed over the killing allege that Dewani ordered the hit.
South Africa has offered reassurances that if Dewani was found to be mentally ill he would be admitted to a psychiatric hospital there.
His lawyers told a hearing in December that Dewani was a "husk" of a man who suffered flashbacks of the night his bride was killed and was afraid to go outside.
Source : Sapa-AFP /dm
Date : 24 Jul 2013 03:10
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/w...ition-decision-due-for-british-murder-suspect
A London court will on Wednesday rule whether a British man accused of orchestrating his bride's murder on their South African honeymoon is mentally fit to face extradition.
Shrien Dewani, 33, is wanted in South Africa over the murder of his wife Anni, who was shot dead when their car was apparently hijacked outside Cape Town in 2010.
British judges delayed Dewani's extradition on the grounds that he is suffering from serious depression and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
But the ruling is finally due to be handed down at Westminster Magistrates Court on Wednesday following a mental health assessment.
The businessman, who is being treated at a psychiatric hospital, denies any involvement in the killing of his Swedish wife, who was, like him, of Indian origin.
A South African man, Xolile Mngeni, was jailed for life for the murder in December. Two other local men jailed over the killing allege that Dewani ordered the hit.
South Africa has offered reassurances that if Dewani was found to be mentally ill he would be admitted to a psychiatric hospital there.
His lawyers told a hearing in December that Dewani was a "husk" of a man who suffered flashbacks of the night his bride was killed and was afraid to go outside.
Source : Sapa-AFP /dm
Date : 24 Jul 2013 03:10
http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/w...ition-decision-due-for-british-murder-suspect
blunomore
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Hope he gets extradited.
Kornhub
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It would be ridiculous if he is not extradited.
OrbitalDawn
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"NEWS JUST IN: A UK court has ruled Shrien #Dewani must be extradited to SA to stand trial."
From EWN.
From EWN.
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