The Anni Dewani Murder Case

[R13...]

It looks like those advocating the death penalty here are doing tom satisfy their own blood lust. How many times must it be explained that the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. What deters criminals is the thought of getting caught & being sent to prison for a long. Prison life's no picnic especially if you end up somewhere like Pollsmoor.

 

[JungleBoy]

Yes in a nut shell i am, because throughout history that has happened perhaps so many times you can count on one hand, as opposed to executing the correct people.

Edit: I am not going to debate with you on this, you are entitled to your views on the subject as am i. I have been in a situation before, and i would love those individuals brought to justice and executed.

Death row can be a very long process...so in a way we are still going to foot the bill for convicted prisoners on death row.

The justice system is not perfect and tends to be in favour of those with deeper pockets who can afford good lawyers. So for the sake of justice we rather err on the side of caution rather than send innocent people to the gallows.

 

[semaphore]

It looks like those advocating the death penalty here are doing tom satisfy their own blood lust. How many times must it be explained that the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. What deters criminals is the thought of getting caught & being sent to prison for a long. Prison life's no picnic especially if you end up somewhere like Pollsmoor.

Blood-lust sure, i wont deny it, actually i would throw the switch myself, or even inject the sob in the neck. You would see half the prison population drop if they instated the penalty (being that half of them would be executed) for the crimes they committed. And the fact remains in south africa, you get do hectic crimes and get away with it, hardly "long".

 

[R13...]

Blood-lust sure, i wont deny it, actually i would throw the switch myself, or even inject the sob in the neck. You would see half the prison population drop if they instated the penalty (being that half of them would be executed) for the crimes they committed. And the fact remains in south africa, you get do hectic crimes and get away with it, hardly "long".

How do you execute the criminals if you can't catch them to start with? And when you do catch them, the police work is so shoddy that the majority of them just walk. You are being naive and you know it. Do you have any idea how long it takes to execute a person after they're sentenced to death? Even then to 'halve' the prison population we'd have to execute at a rate that exceeds Iran, China, the US, and all the others combined.

 

[semaphore]

How do you execute the criminals if you can't catch them to start with? And when you do catch them, the police work is so shoddy that the majority of them just walk. You are being naive and you know it. Do you have any idea how long it takes to execute a person after they're sentenced to death? Even then to 'halve' the prison population we'd have to execute at a rate that exceeds Iran, China, the US, and all the others combined.

Agreed, so lets start executing now!

 

[Sherbang]

with the Hawks being brought in it seems South Africa are trying to make a statement about fighting crime in South Africa especially where tourists are involved and especially now after the world cup as all eyes are on us still. Had this been a normal Joe from South Africa and not so high profile would the Hawks have been called in?

Possibly. They are called in for a lot of different crimes. This month for example:

The Hawks have been called to lead the investigation into the brutal murder of four people including a six-month-old baby at Tshelim'nyama near Pinetown, west of Durban.

http://www.sabcnews.com/portal/site...210VgnVCM10000077d4ea9bRCRD&vgnextfmt=default

In another case:

Two officers, members of the Durban dog unit, were arrested in a sting operation set up by the Pietermaritzburg Hawks two weeks ago, and more arrests are expected as investigations proceed.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/hawks-bust-extortion-cops-1.746207

and....

A pangolin (or scaly anteater) which was destined for wildlife trafficking has been rescued and released into the wild – thanks to officials from South African Revenue Service (SARS) and the Hawks.

http://www.sars.gov.za/home.asp?PID=54515&ToolID=2&ItemID=63652

 

[blunomore]

I thought about it, and it still does not change my views on the subject. Yes there are victims what about the thousands of other people who get raped or family members murdered, only for the person doing the crime to get off free ? Lets face it the justice system in this country is beyond a joke. Prisons are overflowing with these skum.

Basically what you are saying is we can just add to the list of victims the names of those who may be wrongly executed. It is nonsensical to create more victims.

Death row can be a very long process...so in a way we are still going to foot the bill for convicted prisoners on death row.

The justice system is not perfect and tends to be in favour of those with deeper pockets who can afford good lawyers. So for the sake of justice we rather err on the side of caution rather than send innocent people to the gallows.

+1

You would see half the prison population drop if they instated the penalty (being that half of them would be executed) for the crimes they committed.

Any research or stats to back up this allegation ?

How do you execute the criminals if you can't catch them to start with? And when you do catch them, the police work is so shoddy that the majority of them just walk. .

I agree.

Also, once a crime has been committed, there is no turning back the clock. So, a clever government would spend much more resource on prevention (making sure people get a proper education and are employed) rather than cure (trying to catch the criminals and lock them up).

 

[semaphore]

No stats, thumb sucked figures. Yes like people of this country will listen to anything the government has to say. ANYWAYS, i will leave it at that. They should still bring it back none the less.

 

[blunomore]

No stats, thumb sucked figures. Yes like people of this country will listen to anything the government has to say. ANYWAYS, i will leave it at that. They should still bring it back none the less.

The death penalty will never be brought back in SA. You can rest assured of that.

Back on topic, the accused had to appear in court either today or tomorrow. Latest news on the case:

There were conflicting reports on Wednesday morning about whether a post mortem had been carried out on the body of the tourist killed following a hijacking in Gugulethu.


Various newspapers on have reported that Anni Dewani’s body has been flown back to the UK where the post mortem will be conducted, but police have refused to confirm this.

The 28-year-old was killed at the weekend after she and her husband Shrien were attacked while on honeymoon in the Mother City.

A 26-year-old man from Khayelitsha has since been taken in for questioning.

According to Western Cape Community Safety MEC Albert Fritz the investigation is at an advanced stage, but he said there were certain facts he could not yet share with the media.

“The reason why the police emphasised the sensitivity is... to ensure that we don’t compromise the constitutionality of that part of the investigation,” he said.

Meanwhile, Tourism MEC Alan Winde lauded police for their progress.

“I think this is great news, we really commend the police for their swift and speedy action. It’s what we needed to do, we needed to deal with it decisively and I think that their hard work has paid off,” he said.



Meanwhile, the South African Institute for Race Relations has said the prominence given to the murder should not detract from the killing of locals.

The institute’s Frans Cronje said, “South African citizens in areas like Gugulethu have been suffering under incredible levels of violent crimes. Khayelitsha, next to Gugulethu, had somewhere between 800 and 900 murders over the last five years."

He said it’s common knowledge that most townships are gripped by high levels of violent crime.

He said the statistics came down to a murder every two-and-a-half days.

http://www.ewn.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=53080

 

[noxibox]

Because you can get it anywhere in Cape Town ?

You can get anywhere is a reasonable sized population.

This has most likely happened over the years, and its sad. But i believe this type of punishment should be brought back in. Rapists, murderers, etc.

Assault and kidnapping too. Those are pretty traumatic for the victims.

Death Penalty.

Very expensive.

What is going to happen to guys who did this after they get caught?
Nothing. If it is proven against them, then they will get free food and bed for 20 or 30 years.
If it is not proven against them they will commit crimes again until they get free food and bed.
Policies must change.

Yes they should change. A life sentence should be life.

 

[FortySeven]

In terms of DP (Death Penalty), I am sure that as investigative measures and science improves the number of "collateral damage" DPs will reduce if not completely disappear. Some say the DP isn't a deterrent, but I would disagree. Criminals kill, murder, rape because there is little recourse if any. Sure our justice system is piss poor so DP isn't the only solution but part of a bigger solution.

If you look at the Texas legislature where the DP is still used, if more than three credible witness and/or evidence proves without a shadow of doubt that you committed the crime, you do not sit on death row... you go straight to the front of the queue. Why try and rehabilitate a cold blooded killer? Why spend millions trying to get them to be part of society, rather spend that money wich would have been used to feed these people and apply it to education for our youth.

 

[daveza]

According to Eye Witness News there are unconfirmed reports that the driver may be the suspect in custody.

Interesting turn of events if true.

 

[daveza]

Not some say - exhaustive and continuing research says.

 

[daveza]

Very expensive.

Correct.

In the USA the death penalty is far more costly than keeping the criminal in prison for life.

 

[waynegohl]

would a person rethink a criminal move if the death penalty is around or do they not worry because it is not around?

how about having it on the books for those moments when the law says it should be used?

 

[theratman]

Correct.

In the USA the death penalty is far more costly than keeping the criminal in prison for life.

Thats interesting!
I'll do some research on the topic,learn something everyday on mybb!

would a person rethink a criminal move if the death penalty is around or do they not worry because it is not around?

how about having it on the books for those moments when the law says it should be used?

Does not seem to stop people in other countries from committing terrible crimes,half the time they get life anyway.

 

[sand_man]

Correct.

In the USA the death penalty is far more costly than keeping the criminal in prison for life.

That can't be right....?? Surely it would depend on how long the criminal were incarcerated for?

 

[ozoned]

Curious as to why so little is heard about/from the driver of the vehicle.

Curious as to the forensic evidence which prompted the police spokesperson to announce "we know exactly who the suspect is..." prior to the arrest. Did they find a business card?

It looks like those advocating the death penalty here are doing tom satisfy their own blood lust. How many times must it be explained that the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. What deters criminals is the thought of getting caught & being sent to prison for a long. Prison life's no picnic especially if you end up somewhere like Pollsmoor.

/off topic
It is impossible to quantify the effect of consequence assessment (or risk/benefit analysis) as observed in criminal activity. That would require insight into the mental processes of potential/actual criminals and establishing a ratio between never-happened/actual crimes.

It is possible to qualify the effectiveness of deterrents, as in observing the change in a particular crime over a period in which only the sentencing for such a crime were changed. But it would be a very crude qualification.

The death sentence, for that reason, will yield ambiguous data as to it's effectiveness as a deterrent of specific crimes. The death sentence however, retains unrivaled effectiveness in the prevention of future crimes committed by the criminal so sentenced.

 

[waynegohl]

Curious as to why so little is heard about/from the driver of the vehicle.

Curious as to the forensic evidence which prompted the police spokesperson to announce "we know exactly who the suspect is..." prior to the arrest. Did they find a business card?



/off topic
It is impossible to quantify the effect of consequence assessment (or risk/benefit analysis) as observed in criminal activity. That would require insight into the mental processes of potential/actual criminals and establishing a ratio between never-happened/actual crimes.

It is possible to qualify the effectiveness of deterrents, as in observing the change in a particular crime over a period in which only the sentencing for such a crime were changed. But it would be a very crude qualification.

The death sentence, for that reason, will yield ambiguous data as to it's effectiveness as a deterrent of specific crimes. The death sentence however, retains unrivaled effectiveness in the prevention of future crimes committed by the criminal so sentenced.

the cops are so clever, they found the drivers fingerprints all over the car.

 

[JungleBoy]

the cops are so clever, they found the drivers fingerprints all over the car.

Driver's fingerprints on the car would be normal but maybe such fingerprints were found on the dead body which is another story all together.