The Banting/LCHF Thread

[faniebraai]

Makes me heavy for a few days......and then that passes

LOL
yeh, but doesn't help that i work within working distance from a butchery that makes the best yellow fat biltong ever!

 

[RanzB]

This is the one Randir did for me a couple of weeks ago.



Seems very high.

So this is what I had yesterday:

2 coffees with cream
1 can of tuna, 1 kiri cheese, 1 packet of woolies pork crackling for lunch
4 pork cheese grillers, 2 fried eggs for dinner

too little? too much?

Fannie you nonce, that's your TDEE, you need to go lower to actually lose weight.

Also, spell my name right.

 

[RanzB]

I'm a big fan of Jason Fung and have been fasting almost every day for the past 2 years.

But... I've decided to cut back on fasting and start eating more regular meals, at least for the next month.

Reason being, I've been having heart palpitations for a while, probably the last 2 years or so. At first I thought it was stuff like a potassium deficiency, or a magnesium deficiency, or a reaction to whey protein or casein protein, but it was none of those. Eating excessive amounts of foods containing potassium and magnesium did not help, neither did stopping whey protein for 2 weeks. I did go to a GP, and an endocrinologist, and a cardiologist, and nobody was able to find anything wrong with me.

My heart is fine. My thyroid is fine. My hormones are fine. My kidneys are fine.

So, based on self observation, this is my theory - elevated stress hormones are causing my palpitations. My stress hormones can become elevated due to fasting. I think part of the problem with combining whole foods only with low carb and fasting is that it becomes easy to under eat. And I think that is what I was doing. Suddenly, fasting becomes a huge stress on the body.

That is my theory anyway. Over the next month, I will be eating 3 meals every day, and increasing the amount of calories I consume every day. If that works, I will do the occasional fast, but I won't do what I used to, which was skipping lunch Monday to Friday.

I've also noticed that my palpitations are worse in the winter - I think this is due to the fact that blood pressure is higher in winter, for everyone.

It could be anything, to be honest.

But the thing is, the more I listen and research, the more clear it is - people are so different that they can thrive/optimise on totally different things. What works for one person isn't necessarily gonna work for the next guy, so for me that step forward is always going to be to test it out for myself, and if it works, it works.

It could turn out that extended periods of fasting aren't that great for me either, and if that's the case, I'll go back to LCHF, because I know my body is happy there.

 

[faniebraai]

Fannie you nonce, that's your TDEE, you need to go lower to actually lose weight.

Also, spell my name right.

ek weet man. but how far under it does one go? 3000Kj is a bit much no?

 

[APoc184]

What works for one person isn't necessarily gonna work for the next guy

Bingo!! And this is my wife's go to saying lately for anybody at her work asking for advice on how she looks so awesome after 2 children. In the past she has shared her diet and IF schedule with them but then when it does not work for them, (probably because they don't stick to it) they make her feel like she is not sharing the real info and "secret" with them. And there is no fffff secret. Just consistency.

She works with loads of women who believe every Facebook post and Women's Health article preaching the summer body in only 4 weeks.
They've probably done the 28 Day diet every month now . And yeah I know for a fact that most of them have resorted to stuff like Duromine. Ai toggie!

As for myself. I've dropped the fasting bit of my diet for now as I am bulking again. It is just physically impossible for my stomach to handle so many "clean" calories in the shortened eating window. Tried it for a week or so and I was physically sick after dinner as I was shoving my face with food.

So I've brought back a meal somewhere in the morning. Won't really call it traditional breakfast as it is very rarely before 10h00.

 

[RanzB]

ek weet man. but how far under it does one go? 3000Kj is a bit much no?

Start with a 20% deficit. You can use fat total to determine (loosely) your fat loss rate.

Bingo!! And this is my wife's go to saying lately for anybody at her work asking for advice on how she looks so awesome after 2 children.

Pics?

As for myself. I've dropped the fasting bit of my diet for now as I am bulking again. It is just physically impossible for my stomach to handle so many "clean" calories in the shortened eating window. Tried it for a week or so and I was physically sick after dinner as I was shoving my face with food.

Yeah bulking and IF wouldn't gel together for the same reason that IF and fat-loss go so well together. It's hard to cram in that many calories in such a short window.

 

[Kosmik]

20% is the normal good norm to start with.

 

[Shellyb1]

 

[lived666]

yeah, everyone is doing specials on Lindt - I eat too much chocolate, sigh......

 

[Kosmik]

Just got our copy of one of our favourite LCHF cookbook authors new book. Highly recommend her style and food.

https://books.google.co.za/books/about/Low_Carb_is_Lekker_Two.html?id=lX_ZDQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en

 

[APoc184]

Apparently today is National Biltong Day.

I thought every day is biltong day

 

[lived666]

Biltong makes me retain water - depressing to weigh after a biltong binge - usually up by two kg
Though due to salt content I don't consume that much these days.

Re carbs - damn hard to keep around 20gr of carbs a day - I recently started using fatsecret app to monitor daily food intake - I eat around 3x that much in carbs - though slowly learning what to avoid to stay around 20gr carb per day.

 

[faniebraai]

Biltong makes me retain water - depressing to weigh after a biltong binge - usually up by two kg
Though due to salt content I don't consume that much these days.

Re carbs - damn hard to keep around 20gr of carbs a day - I recently started using fatsecret app to monitor daily food intake - I eat around 3x that much in carbs - though slowly learning what to avoid to stay around 20gr carb per day.

3 times? What do you eat with so much carbs?

 

[APoc184]

I also easily go over 50g Carbs daily. But I do intense exercise as well so it doesn't really matter. I can probably get away with 80-100g on some days.

The amount of broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower and other veggies I consume quickly adds up on the Carb counter. Unfortunately the yoghurt and cottage cheese I consume daily also contain rather moderate amounts of Carbs.

And salt is not the enemy. It is actually crucial to up it on the LC diet. Body naturally flushes it out.

 

[faniebraai]

I also easily go over 50g Carbs daily. But I do intense exercise as well so it doesn't really matter. I can probably get away with 80-100g on some days.

The amount of broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower and other veggies I consume quickly adds up on the Carb counter. Unfortunately the yoghurt and cottage cheese I consume daily also contain rather moderate amounts of Carbs.

And salt is not the enemy. It is actually crucial to up it on the LC diet. Body naturally flushes it out.

I had a look at my macros for the week and it looks like this:
Protein - 25%
Fat - 72%
Carbs - 3%

 

[longboy]

What's a good recipe for bulletproof coffee? I tried butter but it was quite nasty.

 

[faniebraai]

What's a good recipe for bulletproof coffee? I tried butter but it was quite nasty.

Butter and coconut oil. How much butter did you use and did you blitz it in a food processor?

 

[lived666]

And salt is not the enemy. It is actually crucial to up it on the LC diet. Body naturally flushes it out.

salt is soo the enemy if you have high blood pressure.....

Yeah the carbs just add up from nothing - I drink way too much coffee, so trying to cut out milk from the coffee, but those alone make around 15 - 20gr per day - and then everything else during the day and easy peezy 40 -50 gr carbs.

 

[APoc184]

salt is soo the enemy if you have high blood pressure.....

Obviously if one is diagnosed with a condition then it will be different and you should at least monitor your intake. But too many people fear salt for the same reason they feared fat. The advertising world told us it is terrible for us.

People feeling lethargic on the LC diet are usually told they do not eat enough fat where the actual problem is the electrolyte imbalance caused by flushing of magnesium, sodium and potassium.

I myself needed to keep upping my salt and potassium intake until I realised that it was in fact the cause for my lack of energy.

 

[APoc184]

Yeah the carbs just add up from nothing - I drink way too much coffee, so trying to cut out milk from the coffee, but those alone make around 15 - 20gr per day - and then everything else during the day and easy peezy 40 -50 gr carbs.

I've switched to almond milk for that exact reason. And consciously made a decision to reduce the amount of milk I take in my coffee so that it doesn't work out that much more.