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Willie Trombone

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Judging from thumbnail, Mike Chang looking ripped! Probably making good money off youtube now.
I think he's settled nicely income wise. He offers a full course including comprehensive meal plan and a bunch of how-to videos on his website. He's a good motivator. Course is around $90 if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Yes, I know. But the point I was trying to make was - can you make instant oats as good as the oats that you have to cook by just adding oat bran.

The instant oats doesn't need to be cooked - you just add boiling water.
Any other foorm of oats need to be cooked.
 

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Yes, I know. But the point I was trying to make was - can you make instant oats as good as the oats that you have to cook by just adding oat bran.

The instant oats doesn't need to be cooked - you just add boiling water.
Any other foorm of oats need to be cooked.

I'd guess that it does up the GI... that's usually the point of adding bran. I'm no food expert but i'd say yes. Unless there's anything else relating to processing that's undesirable, go for it. Personally I eat any oats raw or cooked - never had trouble eating a bowl of oats with cold milk / no cooking, but that's just me - I tend to be a practical eater.

The exception is steel cut - I'd eat those cooked, even if it's just a few minutes in the microwave like quick cook oats.
 
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@b1scu1t so is that infographic any use? Since GI is old school, does it really matter that you prefer quick cook oats to steel cut oats? Why worry about fibre content? Why not just eat all your calories at breakfast and skip the rest of the days meals if GI counts for nothing and a calorie is a calorie?

In terms of body composition, purely trying to gain/lose weight, it won't matter. For the sake of health, yes you get a healthier option when comparing foods.
The reason why GI values aren't useful is because the value changes depending on previous meals and what you ingest together.
The release of glucose into the blood can slow down when ingested with something like protein and some fats BUT with that said, studies also show lower GI doesn't always mean lower insulin response :confused: :) Seems like a person just can't win.

eye-opening research by Schenk & colleagues clearly showed that the rate of disappearance of glucose from systemic circulation is an important determinant of GI - not just glucose's rate of entry into circulation

"Research on type-2 diabetics showed that coingested cottage cheese & glucose raised insulin levels beyond either food separately, indicating a synergistic effect"
If insulin response was the be all end all, we'd be quite screwed :D We'd need to avoid so many foods including whey protein :) Haven't seen anyone avoiding their whey :)

GI value also doesn't always determine to a food's satiety. A potato is high on the GI index but has an extremely high satiety level.
Nevermind how healthy potatoes are with good amounts of potassium (better than bananas), vitamin C and you even get some protein in but I was always told to avoid them when I first started working out and asked around about nutrition.

So a lower fibre option would leave you getting hungrier faster so on a cutting diet those are the foods that that's probably not what you'd want because you're more likely to overeat. If you're trying to stack up the calories, you CAN just eat the one that tastes best to you IF you're not concerned with any health implications. Getting in too little or even too much fibre both have negative effects.

There are benefits to meal timing in relation to a workout but not to degree that it's been over exaggerated. I was also told about that "anabolic window" after a workout where you need to get in those broteins and I had no reason to believe otherwise :) The percentage increase in protein synthesis isn't anything to lose sleep over if you weren't able to instantly get that protein in your stomach post workout :) especially if you ate a meal pre-workout. I was also told to get up in the night and eat something or else!

So yes, reading the labels and seeing what's in the product can make one better or worse.

EDIT: Just want to point out that a total disregard for the nutritional value of the food you consume is most definitely not recommended. You can't substitute 250kcal of potatoes for 250kcal worth Coca-Cola and not expect it to affect your performance. Performance that could've helped you train harder and 250kcal of nutrients that would aid in recovery ;) You do get good and bad calories but it's still counted just as a calorie. Good or bad, they don't get counted differently. Net total of calories is still the determining factor whether you gain/lose weight...
 
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Yeah, was checking up on that earlier. Definitely going to go that route - soy milk is just not an option at all. Tastes like crap, and smells like cardboard

Soy in large quantities ups your oestrogen levels... next thing you know you'll be shopping for shoes. :p
 

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Soy in large quantities ups your oestrogen levels... next thing you know you'll be shopping for shoes. :p

Was just about to ask you guys. So due to various reasons I do not wish to discuss I have now "transformed" into the vegan way of life.


But no taken diary and meat is a no go, I was left basically with soy as a protein source.


Is that really that bad ? Will it affect estrogen levels dramatically?
 

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Was just about to ask you guys. So due to various reasons I do not wish to discuss I have now "transformed" into the vegan way of life.


But no taken diary and meat is a no go, I was left basically with soy as a protein source.


Is that really that bad ? Will it affect estrogen levels dramatically?
I'd suggest taking a look at the protein content of various vegetables, seeds and nuts...you'd be surprised. A smoothie made from almond milk, soaked sesame and pumpkin seeds, half an avo, few spinach leaves and some honey and if you want some hemp seeds/ hemp powder (nice protein) and you're good.

There's really no need for soy on a regular basis or at all.
 
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I'd suggest taking a look at the protein content of various vegetables, seeds and nuts...you'd be surprised. A smoothie made from almond milk, soaked sesame and pumpkin seeds, half an avo, few spinach leaves and some honey and if you want some hemp seeds/ hemp powder (nice protein) and you're good.

There's really no need for soy on a regular basis or at all.

Problem is I will require 200- 300g of protein a day.


And since this vegan shift I am struggling.
 

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Maybe Google a few vegan ppl...Frank Medrano....although I imagine you're hitting weights trying to acquire muscle mass not doing calisthenics like he is.

Eh.
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Chat tomorrow.
 

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Maybe Google a few vegan ppl...Frank Medrano....although I imagine you're hitting weights trying to acquire muscle mass not doing calisthenics like he is.

Eh.
On phone.
Chat tomorrow.

Yea as much as I like that pull up legend my build won't allow me to get that small.

A dream thou, but for now just doing what is naturally possible. Hitting them heavy weights :p.


But yes guess would be to google some vegan bodybuilders.

Thanks :)
 

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To be honest, if you want to build muscle, you really should set your diet to accommodate that. I am not trying to tell you what you should do, but there is the easy way to do something, and then there is all the more difficult and most difficult ways to do it.

Sure there are some vegan doing it, or someone doing it intermittent fasting, or whatever new FAD. Just because they can do it, doesn't mean you can do it. Building muscle is already a tough en devour, and all you are doing now, is making it exponentially more difficult.

You should decide what your priorities are, and follow that.

/rant

Best of luck on your vegan muscle building journey, I know it won't be easy, and you will need all the support you can get.
 

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Problem is I will require 200- 300g of protein a day.


And since this vegan shift I am struggling.

That's a whole lot of protein! Just wondering why so much? Don't know your current/target weight or anything so just asking

and the things about soy lowering testosterone that started with a study in 2000 was essentially disproven just 1 year later when the results couldn't be replicated. Other studies, two as recent as 2010 found no significant effect on testosterone. Soy consumption seems to even lower prostate cancer risk
 

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Is there anyone here that eats their oats raw?
I quite enjoy raw oats, and I'm guessing the nutritional value doesn't change by not cooking them, so I'm gonna save some time in the morning and just eat it raw.
 
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Is there anyone here that eats their oats raw?
I quite enjoy raw oats, and I'm guessing the nutritional value doesn't change by not cooking them, so I'm gonna save some time in the morning and just eat it raw.

Doesn't it give you gas if you eat it uncooked?

I suspect it would blow me up like a balloon.
 

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Is there anyone here that eats their oats raw?
I quite enjoy raw oats, and I'm guessing the nutritional value doesn't change by not cooking them, so I'm gonna save some time in the morning and just eat it raw.

GI goes up a bit with cooking, but I eat oats raw all the time. Call me lazy lol. No gas as far as I'm aware... well not more than usual and than can be allowed to escape unnoticed lol.
 
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