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Tinuva said:
I am going to assume 5 reps. That is what SL5x5 is based on which he is doing as a beginner... Like them chicken legs!
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Correct, 5 x reps following SL 5x5. Not sure how the program is causing disproportion however, is there something that I should change?

bromster said:
Depends if a squat is a squat, or a bob.
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Going parallel was something I obsessed over but in doing so I neglected to pay closer attention to my upward movement I think.
 
Anyone know how much a hack squat relates to a squat, or it more a leg press type association? Quite happily pushing out reps with 200kg - could probably add another 50-80kg.
 
remus786 said:
Correct, 5 x reps following SL 5x5. Not sure how the program is causing disproportion however, is there something that I should change?
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Don't worry, the program is fine as is, I was mentioning I don't think you end up in disproportion. HDS clearly doesn't know much, or at least he hasn't proven yet that he does. You will get many people along the way telling you, you are doing things wrong, but what most don't realize, there is actually a different way of doing things depending on your experience and level you are on. There isn't much better than SL5x5 for a beginner, in fact it is close to the best. Once you go to the next level then yeah sure things change a bit, but not right now.
 
Re: SL5x5, I'm looking at trying semi-private training in June. Wanna get some solid coaching on the SL lifts from the guys at Evo Fitness. They host raw powerlifting events as well as training sessions with some of the junior rugby teams, etc...

All their trainers seem to lift big and eat big :p

Anyways, I just wanna make sure my technique is all good and all that. The only thing i have been doing with any regularity is bench press and deadlifts. Feel I am faffing around with bench press and not having a gym partner to spot.
 
I'm having a bit of difficulty trying to find a substitute for cane sugar. I have a sweet tooth and cannot completely cut out sweet, so thus the need for a substitute.

What options are available out there?

The more I research this the more confusing it gets, like this wiki article:
Weight gain and insulin response to artificial sweeteners

Animal studies have indicated that a sweet taste induces an insulin response in rats.[6] However, the extension of animal model findings to humans is unclear, as human studies of intragastric infusion of sucralose have shown no insulin response from analogous taste receptors.[7] The release of insulin causes blood sugar to be stored in tissues (including fat). In the case of a response to artificial sweeteners, because blood sugar does not increase there can be increased hypoglycemia or hyperinsulinemia and increased food intake the next time there is a meal. Rats given sweeteners have steadily increased calorie intake, increased body weight, and increased adiposity (fatness).[6] Furthermore, the natural responses to eating sugary foods (eating less at the next meal and using some of the extra calories to warm the body after the sugary meal) are gradually lost.[8]

A 2005 study by the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio showed that increased weight gain and obesity were associated with increased use of diet soda in a population-based study. The study did not establish whether increased weight gain leads to increased consumption of diet drinks or whether consumption of diet drinks could have an effect on weight gain.[9]
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But also, from that article it seems that sucralose is the thing to get:
For example, sucralose is extremely insoluble in fat and thus does not accumulate in fatty tissues; sucralose also does not break down and will dechlorinate only under conditions that are not found during regular digestion (i.e. high heat applied to the powder form of the molecule).[27]
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So does anyone know of a locally available product using sucralose?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_...and_insulin_response_to_artificial_sweeteners
 
Why not try honey where you need sweetness in coffee/tea/breakfast ect?

There are a few good articles out there explaining why honey is a good replacement for sugar, as long at is the pure natural honey.
 
I'm having a bit of difficulty trying to find a substitute for cane sugar. I have a sweet tooth and cannot completely cut out sweet, so thus the need for a substitute.
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Honey, now I cant even stand sugar anymore in my coffee.
 
I get heartburn something fierce with honey, and it is also scarce and crazy expensive.
Most of the time we struggle to find any since my wife uses it.
 
When exactly do u get these sugar cravings MyWorld? For me it's usually after eating a meal. Then I might grab a small piece of chocolate or something. Stopped adding sugar to tea/coffee years ago. Find it hard to say no to cake/chocs/dessert in general. Fortunately don't crave non chocolately sweet stuffs.

What do u currently eat / drink when you need your sugar fix?
 
It's not a craving, I'm trying to clean up my diet in general, sugar on breakfast cereals and in tea mostly. I do not tend to eat a lot of sweets and chocolate, that part is easy to avoid, but cleaning up the diet in general is a bit harder.

I have tried going without sugar on the cereal and tea, but that is just plain nasty, I will not be able to do it.
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MyWorld said:
It's not a craving, I'm trying to clean up my diet in general, sugar on breakfast cereals and in tea mostly. I do not tend to eat a lot of sweets and chocolate, that part is easy to avoid, but cleaning up the diet in general is a bit harder.

I have tried going without sugar on the cereal and tea, but that is just plain nasty, I will not be able to do it.
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Last time I cleaned up my diet I lost a **** load of strength :(
 
MyWorld said:
It's not a craving, I'm trying to clean up my diet in general, sugar on breakfast cereals and in tea mostly. I do not tend to eat a lot of sweets and chocolate, that part is easy to avoid, but cleaning up the diet in general is a bit harder.

I have tried going without sugar on the cereal and tea, but that is just plain nasty, I will not be able to do it.
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Oh ok :p If u wanna clean up your diet then don't eat cereal for breakfast, in fact, don't have breakfast at all. Many are punting intermittent fasting these days. Or if u must have breakfast make it high protein, good fats and no or low carbs (essentially "Paleo"). Just a suggestion.
 
Last time I cleaned up my diet I lost a **** load of strength
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Do you get your energy from carbs or fats?

I have read about some guys cutting carbs and rather getting their energy fix from fats, it's working for me at least.
 
xrapidx said:
Originally Posted by ryan411
I suppose a "clean" diet does tend to be much lower in calories...
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:p OK, lemme rephrase. You have to eat a lot more volume when eating "clean" to consume the same amount of calories that you would have had u still been eating junk.

Better? :whistle:

And as you stated, carbs are required as well!
 
Tinuva said:
Don't worry, the program is fine as is, I was mentioning I don't think you end up in disproportion. HDS clearly doesn't know much, or at least he hasn't proven yet that he does. You will get many people along the way telling you, you are doing things wrong, but what most don't realize, there is actually a different way of doing things depending on your experience and level you are on. There isn't much better than SL5x5 for a beginner, in fact it is close to the best. Once you go to the next level then yeah sure things change a bit, but not right now.
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Tough crowd. As I said - his leg strength is out of proportion, you see that with a lot of novice lifters. Both deadlifts and squats have muscles in common that do the lift, since it's a compound exercise. Lower back, knees, core, hips . Your hamstrings are smaller muscles than quads, the reason deadlifts are so easy is of the shorter, natural movement ( our body was made to pick stuff up much better than lift it up) . Gradually you will squat more than you deadlift.

Many people don't train their quads hard enough, hence the strength difference between deadlifts and squats. Once you get your quads to grow properly, your deadlift will be lower/same as your squat.

Also , I can't recall saying that he's doing his exercises wrong , don't put words in my mouth. What I will say is , focus more on your quads. My routine is quads every week, hams every 2-3 weeks. A lot of the quad exercises like squats and leg presses also work your hams secondary.

Lastly, don't be so hasty to make assumptions. I've trained for 6 years, 4 in Virgin here and 2 in Metroflex in CA while living there. Met a lot of big guys , made friends, got a lot of advice. To say that I don't know much is just plain stupid, none of us do. Even when you know a lot about bodybuilding , you still know nothing.

PS : @ remus, I forgot to ask how tall you were.
 
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HDS said:
Tough crowd. As I said - his leg strength is out of proportion, you see that with a lot of novice lifters. Both deadlifts and squats have muscles in common that do the lift, since it's a compound exercise. Lower back, knees, core, hips . Your hamstrings are smaller muscles than quads, the reason deadlifts are so easy is of the shorter, natural movement ( our body was made to pick stuff up much better than lift it up) . Gradually you will squat more than you deadlift.
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I guess it differs for bodybuilders and powerlifting, I myself follow more powerlifting, where it still seems most people's deadlift is more than their squat, even if only off by 20kg more on deadlift. And I am saying this, after looking at many posts on the internet of people reaching their 1000 pound mark on the big 3 lifts (DL, Squat, flat bench press), showing the 3 different numbers on how they got to 1000 lbs (450kg), which is always DL most, followed closely by Squat with bench having the smallest number usually.


HDS said:
Also , I can't recall saying that he's doing his exercises wrong , don't put words in my mouth.

Lastly, don't be so hasty to make assumptions. I've trained for 6 years, 4 in Virgin here and 2 in Metroflex in CA while living there. Met a lot of big guys , made friends, got a lot of advice. To say that I don't know much is just plain stupid, none of us do. Even when you know a lot about bodybuilding , you still know nothing.
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I did say you haven't proved on here yet that you know something, so the assumption was spot on. Remember, your posts were standing at 6 and you posted a very short comment without explaining why you said it. Now you have explained more and it makes more sense. Now keep in mind, you are 6 years into training, some things still differ for beginners, I have learned this going through the process myself. Also remember, body types differ, especially in someone who hasn't trained as long as you.

Either way, welcome to the BB thread on MyBB, hope to see you post more :)
 
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