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xrapidx said:
Ok:
1.) So, not on that link
2.) I don't see a little red arrow, the link you posted claims 500g of sugar, without even specifying the quantity of drink. So it could be 330ml, 2l, 400l.
3.) Where did I say it was acceptable?
4.) It cannot be calorie free if it contains SUGAR
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What I was showing was the difference between coke and coke lite, there is not much of a difference.... but maybe I need to explain it better....
 
LOL @ your fail

You can see thats a different link in the URL. And as you can clearly see in the full screenshot of your original link, there is no such arrow.
 
xrapidx said:
LOL @ your fail

You can see thats a different link in the URL.
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it's the exact link that I posted, and then clicked the right arrow to show you the next slide...

I'm not going to argue on the interwebs with you chaps, believe what you want. If it works for you fantastic.

All I am trying to say is Diet drinks generally do not have much less sugar than the regulars, if you have any info that states otherwise you welcome to post it.

If dieting, best is to rather avoid fizzy drinks in general.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ask-the-ripped-dude-what-are-the-risks-of-soft-drinks.html

With references, like I said if you really want to shed weight best to not take the chance with Fizzy drinks.
 
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Ok, so what you're saying is that they're lying on the tins, and it does not contain zero calories, and has an extra ingredient, sugar? And therefore, a diabetic is ****ed if they drink a tin.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_Coke

Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi have capitalized on the markets of people who require low sugar regimens, such as diabetics and people concerned with calorie intake. In the UK, a 330 ml can of Diet Coke contains around 1.3 calories (5 kilojoules) compared to 142 calories (595 kJ) for a regular can of Coca-Cola.
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I don't see no red arrows taking me anywhere :confused:

Oh and 500g sugar in Coke Light? :wtf:

Maybe I must start evaporating it and getting the sugar out :whistle:

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Must admit quantity was not specified. So could be 500g sugar in a thousand litres or something :D
 
xrapidx said:
Ok, so what you're saying is that they're lying on the tins, and it does not contain zero calories, and has an extra ingredient, sugar? And therefore, a diabetic is ****ed if they drink a tin.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_Coke
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The artificial sweeteners can be just as bad for you, Coca Cola has been called out numerous times about their false labels on healthy drinks, Vitamin Water being a prim example.

If you believe everything they are telling you on the can then I don't have much more to say.
 
ShaunSA said:
I don't see no red arrows taking me anywhere :confused:

Oh and 500g sugar in Coke Light? :wtf:

Maybe I must start evaporating it and getting the sugar out :whistle:

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Must admit quantity was not specified. So could be 500g sugar in a thousand litres or something :D
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When I go to the link, it shows a large image with an arrow on the left and right side, not sure why you guys don't get it. But anyhow, like I said it is one link. If you take the time to check up on the soda's you will realize it's best to not chance it when trying to lose weight.

Not sure why they quoted 500g, they where comparing Coke to Coke lite, not per can, 10% difference in the volume they tested, in the next slide they show per can and it was 42g vs 39g
 
TheGrove said:
The artificial sweeteners can be just as bad for you, Coca Cola has been called out numerous times about their false labels on healthy drinks, Vitamin Water being a prim example.

If you believe everything they are telling you on the can then I don't have much more to say.
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TheGrove said:
All I am trying to say is Diet drinks generally do not have much less sugar than the regulars, if you have any info that states otherwise you welcome to post it.
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Who's talking about artificial sweeteners?

You have repeatedly claimed diet drinks do not contain much less SUGAR than regular

The link you posted, which doesn't seem to have said arrow according to other users - also claims 500g of SUGAR.
 
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How do you think they get the diet drinks to taste that way? They use artificial sweeteners.

Take something like Xylitol, it is an artificial sweetener that diabetics can use, but you take too much and you will gain weight and probably be on the toilet a while.

Sugars/Artificial Sweeteners, same effect.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight

Link from the Bodybuilding.com article, all of that is backed with scientific research.

Like they say in LifeHacker Examine.com is not always accurate and you should verify first.
 
TheGrove said:
How do you think they get the diet drinks to taste that way? They use artificial sweeteners.

Take something like Xylitol, it is an artificial sweetener that diabetics can use, but you take too much and you will gain weight and probably be on the toilet a while.

Sugars/Artificial Sweeteners, same effect.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight

Link from the Bodybuilding.com article, all of that is backed with scientific research.

Like they say in LifeHacker Examine.com is not always accurate and you should verify first.
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Nice one, but:

What about those studies that I read saying diet soda was bad?
Most likely that was a survey or epidemiological research. This is research that aims to find correlations (relationships) between two variables, and sets up future studies to find which variable causes what.

There are many studies that note that Diet Soda is frequently consumed by unhealthy people,[2][3] but no studies that compare people with equivalent diets. One study (Northern Manhattan Study) was able to control a fair bit of variables and found a weak correlation between diet soda and vascular events, but these differences disappeared when 'pre-existing health conditions' were considered.[4]

When comparing diet soda against other non-caloric beverages in an intervention study, and you control the rest of the diet, no difference in weight loss is noted. This suggests that the problem is likely the habits of people who drink diet soda, rather than the diet soda itself.[2] The Northern Manhattan study suggested that diet soda use may be correlated with disease as it its consumption was an attempt by (already unhealthy) individuals to reduce calories and take control of their health.[4]
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Current research that attempts to link diet soda with health issues[2][3] did not have equal caloric consumption. Excess caloric consumption has a direct correlation with many health issues, and in fact one of the studies[2] distinctly states:

Consequently, the previously observed diet soda–metabolic syndrome associations are generally speculated to be the result of residual confounding by other dietary behaviors, lifestyle factors, or demographic characteristics (1,2). Biological mechanisms possibly explaining these associations are few and largely focus on artificial sweeteners in beverages/foods increasing the desire for (and consumption of) sugar-sweetened, energy-dense beverages/foods (3) or disrupting consumers' ability to accurately estimate energy intake and remaining energy needs (4). Thus, diet soda consumption may result in overconsumption, increased body weight, and consequent metabolic dysfunction.
As all current research has found diet soda sweeteners to be safe per se, a tentative conclusion is that diet soda is harmless when paired with an otherwise controlled diet; many people who have bad diets consume diet soda in an attempt to do "less damage" - this results in an incorrect conclusion that diet soda leads to an unhealthy condition.
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Might help if you actually read the articles you are trying to disprove
 
InternetSwag said:
Anyone got advice for DB Rows?

I did them today for the first time and I couldn't friggin feel anything in my back. Felt more like a Tricep exercise
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Adjust your position on the bench to keep your back almost parallel to it. Don't arch your back. Keep the DB close to your side. Starting position should be in front of your grounded foot. But to be honest, I find DB row ineffective. If I do it, it is usually my last exercise in a superset.

I am surprised that more people don't get injured by doing these incorrectly.
 
prOd said:
Nice one, but:
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Like I have already said multiple times, if you want to really shed weight then rather cut out the fizzy drinks. If you want to take the chance then by all means go for it.

I still have yet to see any article that shows Diet soda to contain 0 sugars or 0 artificial sweeteners.
 
TheGrove said:
Like I have already said multiple times, if you want to really shed weight then rather cut out the fizzy drinks.
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Except this is not true. Who are you to dish out diet advice like this and preach it like it's the truth. You are the same person that will tell me cutting carbs out of your diet is the only way to lose weight. And here I am eating 270g carbs and drinking diet soda on workout days, while cutting weight. Please be more uneducated
 
prOd said:
Except this is not true. Who are you to dish out diet advice like this and preach it like it's the truth. You are the same person that will tell me cutting carbs out of your diet is the only way to lose weight. And here I am eating 270g carbs and drinking diet soda on workout days, while cutting weight. Please be more uneducated
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If you say so, you don't need to cut carbs while cutting, I am currently consuming more than that and cutting. Just like fat is not bad for you, your body needs it. I am currently cutting, going to drop to 105KG then bulk again, one of the changes I made was cutting out the fizzy drinks and it helped me, but like I said each to their own, it was my advice if you don't like it well so be it.

If you want to be a douche about it then more power to ya.

Bud you want to get all excited and personal when someone is trying to help.
 
prOd said:
Aaaand now we finally resort to name calling. Proper class.
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Are you serious, referring to me as uneducated is all good and not a douche move?

Wow...so you disagree with someone and your solution is to call them uneducated and act like a total douche and now you want to talk about class.
 
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TheGrove said:
Are you serious, referring to me as uneducated is all good and not a douche move?

Wow...so you disagree with someone and your solution is to call them uneducated and act like a total douche and now you want to talk about class.
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But...you are quite undeducated w.r.t. diet soda. You have proven that multiple times during this thread. Tell me again how THIS fact makes me a douchebag?
 
TheGrove said:
How do you think they get the diet drinks to taste that way? They use artificial sweeteners.

Take something like Xylitol, it is an artificial sweetener that diabetics can use, but you take too much and you will gain weight and probably be on the toilet a while.

Sugars/Artificial Sweeteners, same effect.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight

Link from the Bodybuilding.com article, all of that is backed with scientific research.

Like they say in LifeHacker Examine.com is not always accurate and you should verify first.
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Again, artificial sweeter is not sugar. You were claiming SUGAR, you posted SUGAR, and the link you posted specifically stated SUGAR - I was disputing that, and have said nothing against the benefits, or lack their of of artificial sweeteners, or whether they are contained in diet soft drinks


500g of sugar is 1 935 calories.
 
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