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ryan411 said:
What is this SPS u speak of? I'll have to do negatives like D3x! suggests as I hardly do pullups and can only do a few chin ups, not sure how many wide grip pullups I can do.

Have a home pullup bar. Will have to work on it on non gym days perhaps at home unless I do some at the gym on SL 5x5 days..
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Good point - I actually meant chinups - not pullups. It's 50 chinups. As with many heavy exercises, you'll be surprised at how much of the issue is about simply telling your muscular and nervous system what it is capable of. Have you ever been confused about how a skinny looking guy can be so strong? Much of that is down to getting the neuro path sorted... training your muscle and brain. Intense sport like rugby can do that. There are so many strong school boy rugby players who don't have the Pierre Spies physique to go with it.

My trouble is that I'm heavily right handed and have poor co-ords on my left side by comparison. It's a challenge for me to train my left side to be as co-ordinated as the right. When it's under heavy strain, my right side tends to come to the rescue involuntarily.

Does anyone have any advice on sorting that? I'm even trying simple things like brushing my teeth with my left hand... harder than it sounds lol. Bruised gums are one of the unfortunate side effects.
 
Another thing that I've learned (and I suspect one of the reasons SL works well), is that the more muscle fibre you work, the more your body produces the natural stuff to promote muscle growth. I like to incorporate something of the other muscle groups on days that I target a specific group - even if it's just one or two explosive but quick exercises.
 
DrewChan said:
I'm having a weird issue - I've always been a light sleeper (Never slept a night through in my life)

But recently been dreaming constantly - waking up 4 times a night on average-

On day 23 of not smoking and on day 23 SS. Not sure which to blame it on
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Oooohhh that's the smoking, you get the most vivid dreams.
 
DrewChan said:
I'm having a weird issue - I've always been a light sleeper (Never slept a night through in my life)

But recently been dreaming constantly - waking up 4 times a night on average-

On day 23 of not smoking and on day 23 SS. Not sure which to blame it on
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well done on stopping :D

I reckon it is the smoking and your mind, wait until you have a dream that you are smoking, you will ***** yourself :D
 
DrewChan - are you taking any supps before bed? I find that does the same thing to me. I know GABA does that to some people. I now prefer to not eat more than an hour before bed and get the sleep.
 
WoDotNant? said:
Good point - I actually meant chinups - not pullups. It's 50 chinups. As with many heavy exercises, you'll be surprised at how much of the issue is about simply telling your muscular and nervous system what it is capable of. <snip>
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Cool, what is SPS though? And have you found that doing chin ups only translated into strength for doing wide grip pullups?

WoDotNant? said:
Ryan... I have to recommend the pull up routine I'm doing in SPS phase 2. You basically do 50 wide grip pull-ups. Do as many as you can in a set, rest 30 - 45 seconds and do another. I start at 15 and end up doing sets of 4-3, but you just keep plugging until you've reached number 50. Brilliant workout :)

Nothing can improve your pull-up ability like pull-ups :)
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ryan411 said:
Cool, what is SPS though? And have you found that doing chin ups only translated into strength for doing wide grip pullups?
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SPS=sixpackshortcuts. Yes, definitely helps when doing 50 of them :)
Ill confirm after this phase. I used to be able to do 12 wide grip pullups before starting.
Phase 1 had bent over rows and lat pulldown, phase 3 I'm not sure yet. Each phase is around a month or so.
 
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"Shocking" Shortcut to Sixpack abs discovered by Chinese "scientists" - photoshop!

Sixpack Shortcuts $97 - P.T. Barnum who coined the phrase “There’s a sucker born every minute” would be very, very proud of YouTube entrepreneur sixpackshortcuts who in my opinion is the modern day equivalent of the 20th century snake-oil salesman. He is the king of the asterisk and the “your results may vary” disclaimer. Clever - promising nothing for $97 makes great business sense. P.T. would smile at his ridiculous promises of babes, “shocking shortcuts” and this:

“Scientists in China have discovered a revolutionary shortcut to six pack abs”.

Is the “revolutionary shortcut” from the Chinese scientists photoshop, body paint, or air-brushing? I’m no expert but that image looks fake to me. He is getting rich telling people what they want to hear, that they “don’t have to do cardio”. There are no shortcuts to sixpack abs but you can get rich by pretending to have the secret! In my opinion, his anti-cardio sales platform is irresponsible and goes against the recommendations of the American Heart Association that daily cardio is indeed part of a successful weight loss program as well as being critical to good health. He’s all about cosmetics, do you want a body for go or show? Mike Chang and his marketing antics has given me lots of fodder for mock infomercials, check out my videos Insta-Abs and Big Muscle Shortcuts!

-scooby

Not sure if same thing just remember hearing name before
 
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LOL!!!
Well whoever wrote that didn't do any research. Why would they even write that?

You do cardio and functional training two out of four days in phase 1 and functional 1 out of 3 in phase 2. EVERY workout finishes with a couple of sets that incorporate cardio. Just check out the youtube vids. I've done more cardio and functional training on this regime than I ever did before, and it shows - my rest times between sets has dropped and intensity has upped.

Why would anyone criticise someone for marketing something they make a living from? Good grief - what next. The name sixpackshortcuts is just that - a name, there's no promise of abs without effort, just spend a few minutes on any of the vids. The only thing that I find different about the program from many others is the use of more explosive exercises, many supersets. His programs are designed for those who don't have an hour or more for gym, hence the supersets and HIT. He doesn't push a lot of long slow cardio, though he does admit it is sometimes good. That doesn't mean he's saying long slow cardio is bad for you - I mean, if you want to do iron man, you're not going to prep for it by spending an hour a day in the gym.

It's also a complete package - there are approximately 81 videos including a vault of 'how to' vids for the various exercises, guides to the four phases in the program and a whole section on cooking.

No, what you stumbled across there is pure BS.

No cardio ROFL.

I’m no expert but that image looks fake to me.
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Then why bother saying anything at all.

One last comment, googling "Scientists in China have discovered a revolutionary shortcut to six pack abs" only brings up references to the twit who posted that drivel. No links to anything on SPS or from Mike.

...who in my opinion is the modern day equivalent of the 20th century snake-oil salesman.
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Who even writes like that? :p
 
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I used to think quite highly of Scooby1961 but lately I've not been checking out his videos. Besides, I suppose his type of physique is not what I am after anyways.

He really should do some research if he's going to criticise SPS like that. What I don't like about SPS is the aggressive marketing tactics, but I can't fault them for providing a lot of free instructive videos which probably does more good than harm. It's just sometimes irritating how so many videos are constantly promoted on youtube, paid for ads by SPS.

Just found this, luimarco explains the situation from his viewpoint and comments on the text(from a youtube vid) that DrewChan pasted :)
Scooby Vs 6packshortcuts !!!!!!

edit: Link to Scooby's page for the text that Drew posted.

Oh wow, from the same page he crits SS:
Mark Rippetoe, Starting Strength $29.95. It pains me to include Mark Rippetoe and his book “Starting Strength” in my Fitness Hall of Shame because its basically a good book. The problem is the wild, irresponsible, and exagerated marketing claims that Mark makes in promoting the book. The problem is, if the author is willing to use deception to sell the book, how can you possibly trust what they have written? You can’t, either the author has integrity or not and in this case he does not. Had I seen his wild claims beforehand, I would have never ordered his book. He claims that its reasonable to expect 31lbs of LBM gain in 11 weeks using his program, this is pure fantasy and its a cruel trick to mislead teens to think they can achieve this.
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Aggressive marketing sells stuff. Try making a living from sales and you quickly realise it's sink or swim. I'm also anti marketing, but I'm prepared to overlook what I consider the 'bs' for something that works for me. Bottom line is we're all intelligent enough not to take anything at face value.

If you want to see marketing BS, look at the sheer number of people who pay big bucks to advertise for Nike, Adidas, etc. Look at Felix Baumgartner and Red Bull - the guy even got a Laruel award for what was effectively a massively funded publicity stunt... Yet somehow few people question Red Bull's ethics with marketing carbonated sugar and caffiene... they still sell billions worth of expensive juice. The fact that the stuff works is neither here nor there, they take marketing to a new level... and nobody questions their goals or achievements.

Naah, I'm quite OK with SPS' marketing strategy - if it gets more people into the gym, how can that be bad? Guys like Scooby need to get off their high horse and accept that they're not the last authority on anything.
 
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Scooby is a cool guy, how dare you guys speak ill of him

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Oh wow, from the same page he crits SS:
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You should know that Rip has been under fire from people way higher on the knowledge ladder than ol' Scooby before, specifically for his wild gainz claims.
 
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prOd said:
Scooby is a cool guy, how dare you guys speak ill of him

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You should know that Rip has been under fire from people way higher on the knowledge ladder than ol' Scooby before, specifically for his wild gainz claims.
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I think you misunderstood. The discussion is about Scooby critting everyone else.
 
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WoDotNant? said:
I think you misunderstood. The discussion is about Scooby critting everyone else.
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I understood, just threw it out there, since he seems confused that someone is criticizing Rip
 
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Morning all,

Ive been gyming for a few months now, trying to lose weight, just look better and get my mind clear. When I started I had no clue what to do and just messed around on the circuit. In January a friend suggested I follow the Chris Gethin program on Bodybuilding.com (see link here). What do you guys think of this program? I am really enjoying it but I unfortunately have a lot more "rest days" because of my work schedule. Its also quite cool that he often gives a talk before he starts explaining the workout for the day.

Another question, I can see the results (shoulders, calves, triceps-etc), but my abs and biceps seems to progress a lot slower than the rest of my body (or that's how it feel anyway). I understand that I will not see abs for many more months, but I would like to be able to do more than half of the abs exercises before feeling like I am being ripped in two. Any advice?

I changed my diet a lot but because I am a bachelor and work silly hours I cant always stick to the diet. I am currently using Muscle Junkie Psyco as a pre-workout and found it to be awesome but I am now battling with sleep, I drink it around 5 and go to bed at around 11. I tried GABA for a week and it does help, but I have the weirdest dreams (not sure if I should blame the GABA though). ANyone else experiencing this?

I am 1.73m, weigh 86KG with a bodyfat of 24%.
 
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