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If this moron becomes PM, it makes Corbyn look like a credible alternative at the next general election. Can the choices get any worse ?
Nope, but I’d still love to know what his supporters think. But understandably, it looks like they are all too embarrassed to admit it.
 

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If this moron becomes PM, it makes Corbyn look like a credible alternative at the next general election. Can the choices get any worse ?
Going down the same road as the US did with Trump and Hillary. It was always going to be between the lesser of two evils. If Hillary hadn't sabotaged Sanders, the outcome could potentially have been different.

Sad thing is, given the options, I'd have to vote for Boris - Corbyn can simply never, ever be the PM of this country.
 

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No, I have read the article . In fact you have selectively quoted what was said .

https://qz.com/africa/731695/britai...o-africas-watermelon-smiles-and-piccanninies/

The man is a racist !
errr, never saw that article before, have no love for Boris other than the comical justice that would be served on the useless UK political class should he become PM

but that article reads 100% like satire, he's mocking the queen for loving cheering crowds of "piccaninnies" as if that is a term the queen would use, not using the words as if its his own

he does the same with Blair, it is satire, not even remotely racist, if Chris Rock said on stage at one of his stand-up comedy shows:
"that Trump, man, he's trying so hard to appeal to black people, I bet he dreams of walking around in the hood fist bumping gangstas while saying wassup my n***a"

would that make Chris Rock a racist? ... of course not, and the same goes for Boris in the case of this article
 

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have no love for Boris other than the comical justice that would be served on the useless UK political class should he become PM
Except that it is really the citizens of the UK who would be screwed over the worst, so yeah f-ck politicians but have a mind that there are ordinary people who would bear the consequences far more.
 

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This is a sheer delight. What a great clip that highlights just how much of a bumbling idiot this man is. Does anyone after watching this, still think Boris Johnson is fit to be Prime Minister?


How about you Chris, I'd love to hear your comments. You think him suitable, no?

I think BJ is a first class wally who lied about the NHS funding (on the side of a bus no less which somehow makes it worse) but regarding those incidents - which journalist hasn't fudged something? Who wouldn't lie about an affair if confronted? And who hasn't talked **** when upset about something? The number of times I've mumbled something about GBH when highly p-ssed off ....


Rather get the bugger on relevant and meaningful stuff he has lied about, like the NHS funding - and I'm sure many others.
 

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Playing devil's advocate here. Boris will most likely be the next PM, whether we like it or not. Despite his public tomfoolery, and that he has foot-in-mouth disease, is he really that bad of a politician? As in actually getting things done? Let's not forget that he was publicly elected to run one of the largest cities in the world - twice. And didn't do half bad - certainly far better than the current mayor.
 

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Playing devil's advocate here. Boris will most likely be the next PM, whether we like it or not. Despite his public tomfoolery, and that he has foot-in-mouth disease, is he really that bad of a politician? As in actually getting things done? Let's not forget that he was publicly elected to run one of the largest cities in the world - twice. And didn't do half bad - certainly far better than the current mayor.
His broken promises as mayor...

Boris Johnson launched his official campaign to succeed Theresa May yesterday.

The former foreign secretary made much of his record as mayor of London to demonstrate his leadership credentials.

But he didn’t mention some of the blunders and broken promises from his time at City Hall. Let’s take a look.

Rough sleeping

In 2009, Mr Johnson promised to end rough sleeping within three years. He said: “It’s scandalous that, in 21st century London, people have to resort to sleeping on the streets, which is why I have pledged to end rough sleeping in the capital by 2012.”

But by his final autumn in office (2015), there were an estimated 940 people sleeping rough in the capital.

Over his tenure, rough sleeping rose by 130 per cent, although the nature of these stats means that even this could understate the true extent of the problem.


Police numbers

Mr Johnson made a number of opaque and downright misleading claims about the strength of the Metropolitan Police while he was mayor of London, which we FactChecked at the time.

At one point he announced: “We are recruiting 5,000 constables over the next three years”, which sounded like a welcome boost to Met police numbers.

He failed to mention that the Met expected to lose 5,000 PCs over three years through natural wastage – all he was promising to do was replace the ones who left.

Figures released to members of the London Assembly show that the Met had the equivalent of 33,404 full-time police officers (not including PCSOs or special constables) in November 2009.

That fell to 32,125 officers on March 31, 2016, shortly before Mr Johnson left office.

Special constables

His 2012 manifesto promised to ‘double the number of special constables to 10,000′. At the end of his tenure in 2016, there were just 3,271 special constables in the Met, less than a third of his target.


Affordable homes

Mr Johnson set himself a target of building 100,000 new affordable homes in London between 2008-09 and 2015-16.

But he only get elected as mayor in May 2008, and the budget for the financial year 2008-09 had already been signed off by the previous mayor, Ken Livingstone.

If you count from 2009-10 to 2016-17, when he approved the budgets, Mr Johnson just missed the 100,000 target, using the most generous figures available.

More importantly, not all “affordable” housing is created equal, and the kind of housing likely to be made available for London’s poorest citizens plummeted on Mr Johnson’s watch.

The cost of “affordable” rents can be as high as 80 per cent of local private sector prices, and households with an income of up to £90,000 are eligible for “intermediate rent” homes – still defined as “affordable”.

Homes let as “social rent” or the almost-identical “London Affordable Rent” are likely to be among the cheapest. The supply of these kind of homes fell from more than 10,000 a year to around 500 under Mr Johnson:


Water cannon

In 2014, Mr Johnson agreed in a live radio interview to be blasted by water cannon to show their safety. The demonstration never materialised, and in 2018, the machines were sold off at a £300,000 loss to the taxpayer. They had never been used.

Heathrow third runway

Mr Johnson was an outspoken critic of the proposed third runway at Heathrow throughout his time as mayor, describing the proposal as a “mistake”, “self-defeating”, “short-termist” and “barbarically contemptuous of the rights of the population”.

When he returned to Parliament as the member for Uxbridge in 2015, he promised to “lie down in front of those bulldozers” to stop the expansion.

Things came to a head last June when members of the government, including Mr Johnson who was foreign secretary at the time, were required to vote in favour of the project in parliament.

Shortly before the vote, it emerged that Mr Johnson had travelled to Afghanistan and would miss it. He said that quitting the government to vote against the third runway, as his colleague Greg Hands had just done, would “achieve absolutely nothing.”

Did he halve the murder rate?

We should mention Mr Johnson’s claim yesterday that during his time as mayor “we cut the murder rate by 50 per cent”.

He’s talking about homicides, which includes offences like manslaughter as well as murder.

In one year of Mr Johnson’s tenure (2014-15), the homicide rate fell to 12.2 per million, according to our analysis of Home Office and Office for National Statistics figures. That’s 43 per cent lower than it was in the year before he took office. We understand this is the basis of his claim to have cut London’s murder rate by 50 per cent.

It crept up slightly in his final year to 12.9 per million, which means that when Mr Johnson left office, the London homicide rate was 39 per cent lower than he found it.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-boris-johnsons-broken-promises-as-london-mayor
 

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That's pretty petty from Channel 4 tbh. He claims to have halved the murder rate by 50%, and they say he lied because he was 7% out. Nitpick much? And compared to the current mayor who let it overtake New York's murder rate in January? He also wasn't all that short with the housing, either - there's literally just too many people coming into the city every year to accommodate them all, and they also contribute to homeless figure.

He gave us Boris Bikes, damnit!
 

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That's pretty petty from Channel 4 tbh. He claims to have halved the murder rate by 50%, and they say he lied because he was 7% out. Nitpick much? And compared to the current mayor who let it overtake New York's murder rate in January? He also wasn't all that short with the housing, either - there's literally just too many people coming into the city every year to accommodate them all, and they also contribute to homeless figure.

He gave us Boris Bikes, damnit!
Lol, but I was just reading London murder rate is 15 per million against NY of 33.

Anyway, the man is a self serving liar. I'm amazed anyone would trust him to run a raffle never mind the UK.
 
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That's pretty petty from Channel 4 tbh. He claims to have halved the murder rate by 50%, and they say he lied because he was 7% out. Nitpick much? And compared to the current mayor who let it overtake New York's murder rate in January? He also wasn't all that short with the housing, either - there's literally just too many people coming into the city every year to accommodate them all, and they also contribute to homeless figure.

He gave us Boris Bikes, damnit!
It's a good thing refused to take part in the stupid Channel 4 debate tonight (broadcasters seem to have forgotten it's a leadership election not a general election so any non-Conservative Party members' views are completely irrelevant). Channel 4 is a left wing activist group masquerading as a public service broadcaster. Anyway the whole debate, if Boris did attend, would just be the others ganging up on Boris, especially the new media darling of the London metropolitan elite, Rory Stewart.
 

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It's a good thing refused to take part in the stupid Channel 4 debate tonight (broadcasters seem to have forgotten it's a leadership election not a general election so any non-Conservative Party members' views are completely irrelevant). Channel 4 is a left wing activist group masquerading as a public service broadcaster. Anyway the whole debate, if Boris did attend, would just be the others ganging up on Boris, especially the new media darling of the London metropolitan elite, Rory Stewart.
Don't you think rather, that it's because he is not too keen on making a fool of himself by trying to bumble his way out of dodging the many lies he tells?

Do you just skip over this stuff?
 

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Playing devil's advocate here. Boris will most likely be the next PM, whether we like it or not. Despite his public tomfoolery, and that he has foot-in-mouth disease, is he really that bad of a politician? As in actually getting things done? Let's not forget that he was publicly elected to run one of the largest cities in the world - twice. And didn't do half bad - certainly far better than the current mayor.
Apparently he is an atrocious politician who can't even keep focus during important meetings....

Running London is one thing.. Being the political head of an entire country is in a totally different league that is utterly beyond boris. I expect Britain to be a political laughing stock in short order with Boris at the helm.
 

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Lol, but I was just reading London murder rate is 15 per million against NY of 33.

Anyway, the man is a self serving liar. I'm amazed anyone would trust him to run a raffle never mind the UK.
Looks like you’re right from a quick google, NYC has just under double the murder rate of London.

Update as of June 2019:
As this issue continues to come up on social media, here are the updated figures as of the end of May 2019. So far, in 2019 through 2 June, London has had 53 murders. Through 27 May 2019, New York City has reported 103 murders.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-...-londons-murder-rate-is-not-higher-than-nycs/
 

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Homicide also started going up while Boris was mayor, and it was a already on a steady downward trend when he became mayor, so I wouldn't read much into whatever lowest rate it reached while he was mayor.
I think they were discussing the current rate under the current mayor in that comment. My quote is for 2019.
 

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You see, get him on stuff like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...o-protect-biodiversity-hotspot-says-un-expert

Boris Johnson did nothing to protect “the most important biodiversity hotspot on the planet,” while foreign secretary, according to the United Nations patron for the oceans.

Lewis Pugh, who in his role raises awareness about the state of the world’s oceans, has worked with three of the rivals in the Tory leadership race – Michael Gove as environment secretary and both Jeremy Hunt and Boris Johnson as foreign secretaries – but highlighted Johnson’s lack of action.

“Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to get Boris to protect Georgia and the Sandwich Islands. Just one signature and he could have created a protected area over a million square kilometres, but he didn’t do it,” he said.

The British overseas territory of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands is home to one of the most biodiverse ecosystems in the world. It featured in David Attenborough’s Blue Planet II, when albatross chicks are seen eating plastic.

Throughout Johnson’s time as foreign secretary, there was mounting pressure for him to make the territory a fully protected marine area, with cross-party support from 285 MPs to do so. The protection of the area was finally announced in December 2018.

Johnson has tried to present himself as a modern green candidate with an impressive record on climate issues as London mayor. During his leadership launch on Wednesday, Johnson congratulated the UK for being “world leaders in clean power and environmental protection”.

But Pugh said he was angered to see a column in the Daily Telegraph by Johnson calling for the area to be protected shortly after he’d left office.

“He was foreign secretary for a two year period. He had every opportunity to do that while he was in power,” said Pugh.
 
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