The Brexit Thread

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Spizz said:
Lol, but I was just reading London murder rate is 15 per million against NY of 33.

Anyway, the man is a self serving liar. I'm amazed anyone would trust him to run a raffle never mind the UK.
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He's promising to hurt people they don't like. It's the central feature of Trumpism and increasingly rabid Brexiteers.
 
Pitbull said:
Already covered and responded... the whining just doesn't stop :D
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I missed it.

But I think you mistake for whining my incredulous astonishment at certain peoples reluctance to address these issues about this man being a bare faced liar and a complete dick. It seems right wingers don't mind a guy being a lying arsehole just as long as he is a right winger. Now I can understand it from wealthy Brits who will gain from his appointment, but for anyone who has to work for a living or indeed foreigners, I simply don't understand why they would think this guy would make a good PM.
 
Oh god, looks like we are going to be subject to more glowing pieces on Rory Stewart...the favourite of members...from the Labour and Lib Dem parties (who will of course never vote for the Tories but fool the more dim-witted Tories into thinking praise by metropolitan lefties will translate into votes). Urrgghhh. Will just illustrate how politically left many in the Tories are if he gets to the final 2 (Save us from Rory Stewart, the fakest fake Conservative ). But then again, it will be a huge gift to the Brexit Party not altogether a bad thing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1140381636053340161
 
Spizz said:
Don't you think rather, that it's because he is not too keen on making a fool of himself by trying to bumble his way out of dodging the many lies he tells?

Do you just skip over this stuff?
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Nope. It's simply a waste of time and gives oxygen to Corbyn. Having blue-on-blue attacks is hugely helpful to Jezza. Also, for now his constituency is not the general public, it's Tory MPs and Conservative Party members, the general public have no say. Also TV debates encourage "gotcha" journalism - simply quote something wholly out of context and create manufactured outrage.

The only format that works in my eyes is a one-on-one with an interviewer like Andrew Neil. Avoids purile attacks and actually focuses on policy.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Nope. It's simply a waste of time and gives oxygen to Corbyn. Having blue-on-blue attacks is hugely helpful to Jezza. Also, for now his constituency is not the general public, it's Tory MPs and Conservative Party members, the general public have no say. Also TV debates encourage "gotcha" journalism - simply quote something wholly out of context and create manufactured outrage.

The only format that works in my eyes is a one-on-one with an interviewer like Andrew Neil. Avoids purile attacks and actually focuses on policy.
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What nonsense. This is about running the country not defending the Conservative Party. If Johnson had any thought for the people of the country he would have turned up and joined in with what by all accounts was a good-natured debate. But he is so afraid of being confronted on his awful track record of u-turns and lies that he is avoiding any discussion unless absolutely necessary.

Talking of one on one, did you watch the clip I posted of Boris on The Andrew Marr Show last week?
 
Spizz said:
What nonsense. This is about running the country not defending the Conservative Party. If Johnson had any thought for the people of the country he would have turned up and joined in with what by all accounts was a good-natured debate. But he is so afraid of being confronted on his awful track record of u-turns and lies that he is avoiding any discussion unless absolutely necessary.

Talking of one on one, did you watch the clip I posted of Boris on The Andrew Marr Show last week?
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Lol. I watched some of the debate and then got bored and all they could talk about for the first part was about Boris missing - even though everyone knew especially with Channel 4 empty chairing him! I guess they all know they are fighting for second place. And it's complete nonsense he's avoiding scrutiny, look at all the media appearances he has done (also since he is so well known he doesn't need to do so many media appearances, others do to build up their profile):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1140300595267608576

Look even though I'm supporting Boris it is highly conditional on him implementing Brexit which is radically different from TM's deal. He wasn't my first choice but the two MPs I would have liked to see run didn't. Of course I know he might let his supporters down but that's the chance one takes.

Do I fear that Boris isn't such a staunch Brexiteer as might be portrayed and will try to pass a BRINO? YES. But at least there is a possibility of perhaps a non-BRINO if he calls an early election and does an electoral pact with the Brexit Party.

And no, I haven't listened to the interview...
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Lol. I watched some of the debate and then got bored and all they could talk about for the first part was about Boris missing - even though everyone knew especially with Channel 4 empty chairing him! I guess they all know they are fighting for second place. And it's complete nonsense he's avoiding scrutiny, look at all the media appearances he has done (also since he is so well known he doesn't need to do so many media appearances, others do to build up their profile):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1140300595267608576

Look even though I'm supporting Boris it is highly conditional on him implementing Brexit which is radically different from TM's deal. He wasn't my first choice but the two MPs I would have liked to see run didn't. Of course I know he might let his supporters down but that's the chance one takes.

Do I fear that Boris isn't such a staunch Brexiteer as might be portrayed and will try to pass a BRINO? YES. But at least there is a possibility of perhaps a non-BRINO if he calls an early election and does an electoral pact with the Brexit Party.

And no, I haven't listened to the interview...
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Do yourself a favour. It's only 3 minutes long...

 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Do I fear that Boris isn't such a staunch Brexiteer as might be portrayed and will try to pass a BRINO? YES. But at least there is a possibility of perhaps a non-BRINO if he calls an early election and does an electoral pact with the Brexit Party.
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You think May's deal is BRINO? Or in fact that any Brexit that doesn't rip up the GFA and forces WTO is?
 
The Voice said:
That's pretty petty from Channel 4 tbh. He claims to have halved the murder rate by 50%, and they say he lied because he was 7% out. Nitpick much? And compared to the current mayor who let it overtake New York's murder rate in January? He also wasn't all that short with the housing, either - there's literally just too many people coming into the city every year to accommodate them all, and they also contribute to homeless figure.

He gave us Boris Bikes, damnit!
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Fake news. The New York murder rate is currently double that of London.

In 2018 New Yorks murder rate was also double that of London.

Read through this thread that links to both the NYPD's and London Met Police own statistics.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1137356263803826176
 
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JayM said:
You think May's deal is BRINO? Or in fact that any Brexit that doesn't rip up the GFA and forces WTO is?
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Yes, it definitely is. Long articles dissecting her nonsense are available on the internet and have been online for many months so I'm not going to post links here, you can do some Googling yourself. As Narrowband pointed out a few pages back, the EU is considering technological solutions to the border problem; of course they are going to say in public only their solution (which is heavily favoured towards the EU... fancy that?) is the way forward. I'd favour EFTA with some special rules for the UK regarding immigration (since being in the SM means accepting FoM AFAIK). (https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...land-mark-carney-recession-2023-a8658871.html)
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Yes, it definitely is. Long articles dissecting her nonsense are available on the internet and have been online for many months so I'm not going to post links here, you can do some Googling yourself. As Narrowband pointed out a few pages back, the EU is considering technological solutions to the border problem; of course they are going to say in public only their solution (which is heavily favoured towards the EU... fancy that?) is the way forward. I'd favour EFTA with some special rules for the UK regarding immigration (since being in the SM means accepting FoM AFAIK). (https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...land-mark-carney-recession-2023-a8658871.html)
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That is cakeism. You can't have EFTA/EEA without accepting all the rules, which includes the same FoM as EU. This has been said over and over again. And May's deal is not BRINO - it's far harder than EFTA/EEA/SM as it does leave the latter and completely ends FoM.

BTW, the backstop is there to protect both the SM and GFA - there aren't any technological solutions to it right now, and there won't be for many years. Anyone who thinks any deal is possible without it is delusional. Even if the UK leaves without a withdrawal agreement in place, there is no possibility of a FTA until it's been sorted.
 
JayM said:
That is cakeism. You can't have EFTA/EEA without accepting all the rules, which includes the same FoM as EU. This has been said over and over again. And May's deal is not BRINO - it's far harder than EFTA/EEA/SM as it does leave the latter and completely ends FoM.

BTW, the backstop is there to protect both the SM and GFA - there aren't any technological solutions to it right now, and there won't be for many years. Anyone who thinks any deal is possible without it is delusional. Even if the UK leaves without a withdrawal agreement in place, there is no possibility of a FTA until it's been sorted.
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Yep, so if the UK leaves without a deal, the first thing it will have to do is negotiate a deal.
 
The Voice said:
Currently, yes. Apparently in January (as my post states) London was ahead of NY.
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So what you mean is if you choose a few weeks in January from the whole year you can make the statistics show NYC had fewer murders than London but if you actually look at the whole 12 months preceding then NYC has double the murder rate ?
 
The Voice said:
Currently, yes. Apparently in January (as my post states) London was ahead of NY.
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The conservatives have also reduced the number of police countrywide, and surprisingly nationally violent crime has increased as well. It's not rocket science, there is limits to what can be achieved with less resources.

There was even an initiative proposed to assist school dropouts as a solution towards solving the cause of violent crime. Proposed by police chiefs and Khan. It fell on deaf ears.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
There was even an initiative proposed to assist school dropouts as a solution towards solving the cause of violent crime. Proposed by police chiefs and Khan. It fell on deaf ears.
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But that would involve spending money on helping people. Probably get accused of being a socialist or Marxist for proposing such a thing.
 
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