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Oh god, looks like we are going to be subject to more glowing pieces on Rory Stewart...the favourite of members...from the Labour and Lib Dem parties (who will of course never vote for the Tories but fool the more dim-witted Tories into thinking praise by metropolitan lefties will translate into votes). Urrgghhh. Will just illustrate how politically left many in the Tories are if he gets to the final 2 (Save us from Rory Stewart, the fakest fake Conservative ). But then again, it will be a huge gift to the Brexit Party not altogether a bad thing.

What a weird little purity cult you seem to want. Any deviation and you're a "fake Conservative".

And I'm going to guess you're living in a 'metropolitan' area, and wouldn't move to a non-metropolitan area if you left SA either. :sneaky:

The only format that works in my eyes is a one-on-one with an interviewer like Andrew Neil. Avoids purile attacks and actually focuses on policy.
Like the one with Andrew Marr that you refuse to watch? Where his lies were exposed quite neatly?

Currently, yes. Apparently in January (as my post states) London was ahead of NY.
[citation needed]

The conservatives have also reduced the number of police countrywide, and surprisingly nationally violent crime has increased as well. It's not rocket science, there is limits to what can be achieved with less resources.

There was even an initiative proposed to assist school dropouts as a solution towards solving the cause of violent crime. Proposed by police chiefs and Khan. It fell on deaf ears.
The fruits of the Conservative Party's austerity. It was incredibly predictable, and in fact, was predicted.
 
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I missed it.

But I think you mistake for whining my incredulous astonishment at certain peoples reluctance to address these issues about this man being a bare faced liar and a complete dick. It seems right wingers don't mind a guy being a lying arsehole just as long as he is a right winger. Now I can understand it from wealthy Brits who will gain from his appointment, but for anyone who has to work for a living or indeed foreigners, I simply don't understand why they would think this guy would make a good PM.
I'm sure you probably lie to your wife, do shyte most people don't know about. Yet you get your job done.

Hey I'm probably the poster child of loose morals, yet I get my job done perfectly fine.
 
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I'm sure you probably lies to your wife, do shyte most people don't know about. Yet you get your job done.

Hey I'm probably the poster child of loose morals, yet I get my job done perfectly fine.
If I lie in my job constantly and get caught out, I'd expect to be sacked not promoted to head of the company.
 

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If I lie in my job constantly and get caught out, I'd expect to be sacked not promoted to head of the company.
From what I've seen, they focus on his personal life, relationships of those around him (personal life)

Like I said, attacking a character instead of the job. Which he hasn't even done yet. Same old shyte as with Trump. Clutching straws constantly...
 

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Or people hate Boris because he's a fscking retard and is not capable of being a PM.
I was rather unsure about him, I don't follow British politics closely, but this level of shît posting has convinced me that he is probably the right guy for the job.
 

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From what I've seen, they focus on his personal life, relationships of those around him (personal life)

Like I said, attacking a character instead of the job. Which he hasn't even done yet. Same old shyte as with Trump. Clutching straws constantly...
Lol, Why would anyone have to clutch at straws when all they have to do is look at the facts and digest them without prejudice? Boris has been caught lying many times in his job. Not as much as Trump mind you, he's way ahead and will never be caught even by Kim Jong Il....

In his first 869 days as President, Donald Trump said 10,796 things that were either misleading or outright false, according to The Washington Post's Fact Checker. Do the math and you get this: The President of the United States is saying 12 untrue things a day.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics/donald-trump-lies-fact-check/index.html

Don't these things matter? Don't you want elected politicians to at least have a bit of integrity?
 

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I was rather unsure about him, I don't follow British politics closely, but this level of shît posting has convinced me that he is probably the right guy for the job.
He is if you are very rich. They don't care about his lies, they care about the tax breaks.
 

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Lol, Why would anyone have to clutch at straws when all they have to do is look at the facts and digest them without prejudice? Boris has been caught lying many times in his job. Not as much as Trump mind you, he's way ahead and will never be caught even by Kim Jong Il....



https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/10/politics/donald-trump-lies-fact-check/index.html

Don't these things matter? Don't you want elected politicians to at least have a bit of integrity?
I want politicians who are willing to do the dirty in order to get the job done. Having little holy white tigers all over the the shows has done nothing but lip service and not getting the job done. Trump is getting shyte done, so too will Boris.

You might not like it, but that's how it is.
 

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He is if you are very rich. They don't care about his lies, they care about the tax breaks.
Tax breaks? Awesome, another +1 for Borris.

It's silly that you think only the rich benefit from tax breaks. Business will surely need tax breaks with Brexit coming up.
 

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I want politicians who are willing to do the dirty in order to get the job done. Having little holy white tigers all over the the shows has done nothing but lip service and not getting the job done. Trump is getting shyte done, so too will Boris.

You might not like it, but that's how it is.
Fair point. Problem is, Boris has so far shown that he doesn't get things done.
 

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Tax breaks? Awesome, another +1 for Borris.

It's silly that you think only the rich benefit from tax breaks. Business will surely need tax breaks with Brexit coming up.
As you said, you don't really follow UK politics. But no, he said this last week and is talking about high earners specifically.

Boris Johnson has pledged to cut income tax for three million higher earners, in a move that would cost £9.6bn a year. The current frontrunner in the Tory leadership contest said he would raise the threshold for the 40p tax band from £50,000 to £80,000 if he becomes prime minister.
Seriously, the UK is in a right mess with regards to public services and policing etc due to government cut backs.

Edit, oops....source https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ship-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html
 

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He is if you are very rich. They don't care about his lies, they care about the tax breaks.
Yes tax breaks are great. Boris Johnson's tax plan makes perfect sense.

Tax Thresholds Have Not Kept Up with Middle Class Earnings. The poor have constantly had the amount at which at you pay tax lifted, and the super-rich have an army of tax advisors to minimise their tax exposure. Good on Boris for trying to help the middle class for once. £50 000 - £80 000 is not "super rich". Comfortably middle class.

Tax breaks are great.
What a weird little purity cult you seem to want. Any deviation and you're a "fake Conservative".

And I'm going to guess you're living in a 'metropolitan' area, and wouldn't move to a non-metropolitan area if you left SA either.
So can you name me a vaguely conservative policy that Rory the non-Tory actually holds? He's just the Tory version of Tony Blair . Says things that are, on inspection, meaningless. He's getting support from the Hard Remain wing of the party (including Theresa May's deputy PM. Also strong rumours she voted for him, which wouldn't surprise me since he is a Theresa May arse-licker). He's being feted by people who will never vote Conservative. Fortunately the only people who get to vote in this election are not easily led by Channel 4/BBC/Sky News and are in fact far more wise than most lefties who seem to mindlessly parrot whatever the MSM tells them to parrot. LOL at the one with the only NEGATIVE rating...you wouldn't know this from the wall-to-wall positive coverage of Stewart.

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Rory Stewart is all style and no substance

For Woke Britain, Stewart has now firmly established himself as the least-nasty member of the nasty party. That could help him pick up votes from Labour and Lib Dems in a general election, but it can’t help fill the enormous void at the heart of his pitch for the leadership. He is offering nothing other than the faulty deal which Theresa May negotiated with the EU last November and which has already been comprehensively defeated in the Commons three times – once by a record margin. It was defeated for very good reason: it would allow (in fact let’s be honest and say it was deliberately designed to do this) Britain to be trapped in the backstop indefinitely while we are forced to accept rules on trade and product standards but have no say in the making of those rules. There is no point whatsoever in bringing back this deal before the Commons. It will be defeated again and again – and rightly so. As for his offer to reach out to Nigel Farage, what is the thinking behind that? If you want to practise big tent politics you have to offer at least something to everyone you want to entice into it. Rory has absolutely nothing to offer Nigel Farage – who would far rather stay outside and pull out the guy ropes.

Rory says he doesn’t know where to start when listing his weaknesses, but I suggest that he puts at the top a failure of imagination and limited reasoning powers to think through a problem. He is all presentation and little substance – which makes him even more an archetypal politician than the opponents from which he is trying to distinguish himself.
Even his self-confessed admirer, Robert Peston (political editor of ITV) caught out Stewart:

 
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As you said, you don't really follow UK politics. But no, he said this last week and is talking about high earners specifically.



Seriously, the UK is in a right mess with regards to public services and policing etc due to government cut backs.

Edit, oops....source https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ship-contest-conservative-party-a8951631.html
? Well yeah. High earners should get tax breaks, it frees up their money and they can move it around and investment in business and take risk, grow the economy. Basic economics.

From what I've seen the state is extremely bloated and not in a mess due to cut backs. They probably need a lot more cut backs.
 

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Yes tax breaks are great. Boris Johnson's tax plan makes perfect sense.

Tax Thresholds Have Not Kept Up with Middle Class Earnings. The poor have constantly had the amount at which at you pay tax lifted, and the super-rich have an army of tax advisors to minimise their tax exposure. Good on Boris for trying to help the middle class for once.

Tax breaks are great.

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This is typical of the attitude of the Tories which is why they are so despised by working people. What do you know about the "poor"?
 

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? Well yeah. High earners should get tax breaks, it frees up their money and they can move it around and investment in business and take risk, grow the economy. Basic economics.

From what I've seen the state is extremely bloated and not in a mess due to cut backs. They probably need a lot more cut backs.
Oh stop trying to troll, you just make yourself look silly. Cut backs have been official policy for a few years now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_government_austerity_programme

The United Kingdom government austerity programme is a fiscal policy adopted in the early 21st century following the Great Recession. It is a deficit reduction programme consisting of sustained reductions in public spending and tax rises, intended to reduce the government budget deficit and the role of the welfare state in the United Kingdom. The National Health Service[2] and education[3] have been "ringfenced" and protected from direct spending cuts,[4]but between 2010 and 2019 more than £30 billion in spending reductions have been made to welfare payments, housing subsidies and social services.[5]The effects of United Kingdom austerity policies have proved controversial and the policies have received criticism from a variety of politicians and economists. Anti-austerity movements have been formed among citizens more generally.[6]
 

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This is typical of the attitude of the Tories which is why they are so despised by working people. What do you know about the "poor"?
This is the typical attitude of wannabe socialist pretending they care about the poor when they are infact just envious of "the rich". I think I might know a little bit more about being poor and working class than you
 

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Fair point. Problem is, Boris has so far shown that he doesn't get things done.
So you are basing that on personal perception, without him even having taken office yet? Maybe let's give him a chance and judge him during/after?
 

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This is the typical attitude of wannabe socialist pretending they care about the poor when they are infact just envious of "the rich". I think I might know a little bit more about being poor and working class than you
Lol. I doubt it, you know nothing about my life. But fyi, my attitude comes exactly from growing up in a poor working class family. I left school at 15, did **** jobs for low money and had long bouts of unemployment. You see I survived on the exact policies they are cutting back on. And that system that is now being destroyed gave me an education starting University at the age of 28, for free, and for which I owe everything today.
 

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So you are basing that on personal perception, without him even having taken office yet? Maybe let's give him a chance and judge him during/after?
Why not judge him on the myriad of things he has done as a politician up to this point? (there are many very bad examples)
 
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