The Brexit Thread

[Dave]

Copy and paste from a tweet of Zero Hedge but it was in Barnier's press conference.

Probably better to avoid biased sources like zero hedge and keep the thread honest...

Edit, I see someone else already made that point between our posts.

 

[f2wohf]

Probably better to avoid biased sources like zero hedge and keep the thread honest...

The same thing is here, I had like 10 tweets with it but took ZH because they had the most comprehensive copy and paste.

Barnier Says Transition Period Not a Given (11:54 a.m.)
Barnier says there are still “substantial” disagreements over the transition period.

The U.K. wants a decision by the end of March, “but at the same time, the U.K. told us a number of disagreements that I consider substantial.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ays-eu-not-updated-on-u-k-plans-brexit-update

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Hahahahahahaha.

Britain to tell the world ‘Brexit does not mean Brexit’

Britain has a message for the rest of the world after Brexit next year: please pretend we are still in the EU.

A “technical note” prepared by the British government calls on non-EU nations to treat the UK during its post-Brexit transition period after March 2019 as if it was still covered by the more than 700 treaties Brussels has struck with third countries on everything from fishing rights to data sharing.

“To coin a phrase, they are going to tell the world that Brexit does not mean Brexit,” said one EU official.

 

[buka001]

Hahahahahahaha.

Britain to tell the world ‘Brexit does not mean Brexit’

What a bunch of incompetent bufoons. Clueless, directionless and without any semblance of a plan.

 

[Dave]

What a bunch of incompetent bufoons. Clueless, directionless and without any semblance of a plan.

I suspect history is not going to be kind to the shambolic May government (or the preceding Cameron one.

 

[buka001]

An interesting thread on how Brexit will impact and complicate trade for UK manufacturers.

https://twitter.com/batanball/status/961677795008110592

 

[Xarog]

When Jeremy Corbyn announced that Labour would leave the EU’s customs union, not a single commentator remarked on the reason he gave. Labour was against the customs union, said the old boy, because it was “protectionist against developing countries”.

Spot on, Jezza! Euro-protectionism was, in large measure, why Labour opposed joining the Common Market in the first place. Clement Attlee was acutely aware of the millions of Commonwealth volunteers who had rushed to Britain’s aid in the war. He didn’t see why his East End constituents should pay more to wealthy French farmers than to poor African farmers.

Fukken A, Corbin. You said something intelligent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/10/no-left-winger-should-want-stay-customs-union/

Anyone else on the left listening, for a change?

 

[buka001]

Brexit and the impact on UK agriculture.

https://qz.com/1204698/brexit-is-leading-a-vital-but-unglamorous-industry-to-its-death/amp/

Seems like a shift to China?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Brexit and the impact on UK agriculture.
https://qz.com/1204698/brexit-is-leading-a-vital-but-unglamorous-industry-to-its-death/amp/
Seems like a shift to China?

If any industry is/was truly under threat purely because of visa considerations the UK government will conjure a special visa in no time. There will be no shift.

 

[f2wohf]

All three of them, I’m impressed by the demonstration of power.

 

[C4Cat]

If any industry is/was truly under threat purely because of visa considerations the UK government will conjure a special visa in no time. There will be no shift.

That makes no sense. Saying 'we will control our borders and stop the inflow of non skilled migrants' while also saying, oh here are 85000 special visas for unskilled migrant workers. smh

 

[f2wohf]

That makes no sense. Saying 'we will control our borders and stop the inflow of non skilled migrants' while also saying, oh here are 85000 special visas for unskilled migrant workers. smh

It’s been proven that limiting immigration through Brexit will not happen. It was a fake reason to appeal to voters.

UK always had the powers (especially since not on Shengen) to limit immigration.

And the most immigrants come from China and India.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gen...he-Britains-migrants-coming-from-and-why.html

 

[Pitbull]

It’s been proven that limiting immigration through Brexit will not happen. It was a fake reason to appeal to voters.

UK always had the powers (especially since not on Shengen) to limit immigration.

And the most immigrants come from China and India.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gen...he-Britains-migrants-coming-from-and-why.html

Isn't that a bit dishonest though...

Immigration in the measured term would obviously show China and India right. But what about the Greeks, Polish, Portuguese and so on, in the UK legally and able to work legally. They will not show up as immigrants will they? The point of Brexit is to stem all influx of people not British born and cater for them first before allowing others in. Are you saying they had a choice to refuse EU passport holders entry and work with no valid reason?

Using your link, China and India combined are towered by EU countries

 

[f2wohf]

Read the telegraph’s article.

There are close to double the number of Chinese than polish.

Greeks don’t make it to the top 15, Portuguese are 8000 vs 11000 Pakistani or 33000 Indians.

Between the countries shown here, the net migration is 5000 people. And a lot of the western EU immigration is qualified people.

And nothing proves that they still British jobs either.

The logic of Brexit on cutting on immigration is a fallacy because they could first have cut almost 50% of their immigration with a much simpler and less costly process than leaving the EU.

 

[Pitbull]

Read the telegraph’s article.

There are close to double the number of Chinese than polish.

Greeks don’t make it to the top 15, Portuguese are 8000 vs 11000 Pakistani or 33000 Indians.

Between the countries shown here, the net migration is 5000 people. And a lot of the western EU immigration is qualified people.

And nothing proves that they still British jobs either.

The logic of Brexit on cutting on immigration is a fallacy because they could first have cut almost 50% of their immigration with a much simpler and less costly process than leaving the EU.

You're not answering my question though...

Are you saying they had full control on EU passport holders who enter and exit as well as working status?

 

[f2wohf]

You're not answering my question though...

Are you saying they had full control on EU passport holders who enter and exit as well as working status?

I never said so, you have your answer.

The free market is a whole, including labour.

 

[Pitbull]

UK always had the powers (especially since not on Shengen) to limit immigration.

I never said so, you have your answer.

The free market is a whole, including labour.

Sorry but now I'm confused.

The Brexit thing is about total control of their borders EU and others.

 

[f2wohf]

Sorry but now I'm confused.

The Brexit thing is about total control of their borders EU and others.

Border control is another thing than immigration control in the EU treaties.

The UK, by not being a signatory of the Shengen treaty, has always had full control of its borders (for example, there is a customs check point when you take the Eurostar). Not of its European immigration.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

That makes no sense. Saying 'we will control our borders and stop the inflow of non skilled migrants' while also saying, oh here are 85000 special visas for unskilled migrant workers. smh

Makes perfect sense, the UK can do whatever they want with their visa rules, the point is to not bow down to the EU's visa rules.

 

[f2wohf]

Makes perfect sense, the UK can do whatever they want with their visa rules, the point is to not bow down to the EU's visa rules.

Which they’ve never been asked to since it’s 25 years that them and the Irish are not part of the rules...

It has always been the U.K, the Irish visa policy and never the EU one.