The Brexit Thread

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In a report on Monday, KPMG warned that leaving the European Union without a deal could trigger a recession lasting four quarters, with output contracting by 1.5% next year. The Resolution Foundation said the next recession could be “unnecessarily painful” because monetary and fiscal policy are ill-equipped to combat it.

“Today’s data show the U.K. economy expanded strongly in July and we expect the data to show a further gain in August. The bigger risk is the economy enters a slump later this year -- a no-deal Brexit remains a real possibility and the economy is carrying only weak underlying momentum.”

Do you actually understand the process or what the EU is?
Anyone who makes claims about the EU being run by unelected bureaucrats or that it is some remote organisation telling everyone what to do and member countries having no say doesn't have the foggiest clue how the EU actually works.
 
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Then let the UK crash out and let no-deal happen. No reason for further discussing the issue then. That's what the UK voters wanted, so let it be. Good or bad
^^ you Sir Pitbull understand.

It’s what we voted for and it’s what we want.

The so called Tori’s / conservative party has been infected by Liberal softness and views for some decades now.
 
^^ you Sir Pitbull understand.

It’s what we voted for and it’s what we want.

The so called Tori’s / conservative party has been infected by Liberal softness and views for some decades now.

So glad we have all brexiteers posting here under a single account. How do you formulate posts, hive mind?
 
That is the key to your question.

They voted to LEAVE. Not "leave with a deal" or "Leave with conditions" Leave means Leave.

Leaving means you actually leave. It doesn't mean delay the process for as long as possible because it might upset the holiday plans of rich bankers.

So why did the Brexiteers repeatedly stop them from leaving? :unsure:

You can apply that logic to any public vote.

I would wager the average SA voter knows f__kall about the ANC and their economically damaging policies.


The 1975 EU referendum said this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum

It didn't say anything about being forced to accept millions of third world migrants.

So you're saying they should have gone back to the people once more information became known instead of sticking to the original, vague referendum? Well then... :rolleyes:

Factually incorrect.

Never takes long for their bigotry to be laid bare. It's what sits behind most of this stuff anyway.
 
Better an election than these miserable curmudgeons actually manage to stop Brexit. If you think BoJo the clown is bad, you really won't like what gets elected after parliament thumbs its nose at the will of the people.

Lol. It’s “it’s people” who do the electing of Parliament........
 
The MPs holding up the placards claiming they are being silenced by the progoration of parliament are the same ones denying the public the GE. Truely we live in Orwellian times...
Why would they go back to the people for another vote when the people already voted a couple of years ago? The people have chosen, so let's stick with the parliament they chose. To do otherwise would be opposing the will of the people.
 
Why would they go back to the people for another vote when the people already voted a couple of years ago? The people have chosen, so let's stick with the parliament they chose. To do otherwise would be opposing the will of the people.
And this level of stupidness is why the western world will fall into civil wars and revolution again. I can only hope it is a small minority of people that think like this.
 
Boris Johnson's decision to suspend parliament is unlawful, a Scottish court has ruled.

The case was originally dismissed at the Court of Session last week, where Judge Lord Doherty said it was for politicians and not the courts to decide on shutting down the Commons and Lords for five weeks.

But three judges of the Inner House, the supreme civil court in Scotland, disagreed with Lord Doherty's ruling today.

 
And this level of stupidness is why the western world will fall into civil wars and revolution again. I can only hope it is a small minority of people that think like this.
The brexiteers are (or were) a majority, unfortunately...
 
Why would they go back to the people for another vote when the people already voted a couple of years ago? The people have chosen, so let's stick with the parliament they chose. To do otherwise would be opposing the will of the people.

Go do some research on how many MPs elected in 2017 have switched parties and thus were elected under false pretenses. Especially the large number of Tory- Limp Dumb switchers as well as "independents". There are many seats owed to the Conservatives by duplicitous MPs who have no chance in hell of retaining their seats under the Limp Dumb/independent banner. And many of the worst Tory Remoaners MPs have already said they are retiring (Kenneth Clarke, Letwin, Soames. I'm disturbed Monsieur Grieve hasn't announced his retirement because he has zero chance of being welcomed back). This will mean far fewer rebels as even if they have Remain tendencies, new MPs are far less likely to rebel than old farts who have been there for time immemorial.
 
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What if Dominic Cummings is right?

Clearly, Johnson and Cummings want to move quickly. As we’ve seen over the last three years, Parliament is quite capable of permanent drift, with no majority for any decision bar delaying a decision. Allowing Remainers to continue leisurely plotting until a second referendum could be held would have been fatal to the Conservative party. Therefore, Downing Street came up with a two-stage process to force the pace. First, there was the insistence of leaving on the 31st October, “do or die”. This prompted some more leisurely plotting by the Remainers, confident that a no-deal Brexit could be stopped by Parliament despite Boris’ bluster. This group was then promptly thrown into disarray by the move to prorogue Parliament, the equivalent of issuing a “put up or shut up” challenge to opponents who were capable of neither.

Instead, various opponents of no-deal started taking actions quickly and predictably. From a Brexiteer standpoint, all the right people were furious. There were street protests, inflated rhetoric about a “coup”, angry MPs on television and no fewer than three separate court cases brought (had they been right, surely one would have been enough). But in fact, the prorogation made little practical difference. Parliament was able to push through legislation that prevented a no deal Brexit and then declined to have an election – some coup! But the result was that all the people desperate to stop Brexit voluntarily went on 24-hour news channels for a week in order to broadcast that fact. Under observation, Labour’s Schrodinger’s Cat-like Brexit position is now close to collapsing into a solid Remain position.

Johnson will be denied an October election, though. Faced with being required by law to request an extension from Brussels, it is more likely that he would resign as Prime Minister. Were he to do so, it would make sense to wait until after the party conference season. There’s no reason to take the risk (no matter how slender) of allowing Jeremy Corbyn to hold a conference in the position of acting Prime Minister. He would also have the chance of holding his Queen’s Speech on the 14th October. Were he to resign as PM shortly afterwards, just prior to the EU Council on the 17th October, that would leave just a few days for an acting government (of national disunity) to be formed and to seek an extension from the EU. Opponents in a hurry are more likely to make a mistake. For example, in extremis, it might turn out that Jo Swinson is prepared to back Jeremy Corbyn as a caretaker PM despite her protests otherwise. How will that play in Tory/Lib Dem marginals?

So, while a PM having to resign would normally seem like an ignominious defeat, it would allow the Conservatives the opportunity of campaigning as the insurgent Brexit-focused opposition to what would be a poorly stitched-together Remain-focused government, the constituent parts of which would all be campaigning independently and fighting like rats in a sack about who gets to be the person that triumphantly leads the UK back into the EU. In such circumstances, it is possible that Johnson could be returned as Prime Minister with a chunky majority.

That might seem far-fetched, but consider this – has anything happened last week or this week to harm Boris Johnson’s chances in a “People vs Parliament” General Election? Has anyone behaved radically differently to how might have been predicted beforehand? Arguably Corbyn’s refusal to go for an election was a surprise, but it hardly harms Johnson’s cause.

Most significantly, have Boris’s chances of delivering Brexit on the 31st October changed? Not if you believe that the chance of him doing so was always effectively zero. However, voters will have heard his clear desire to do so and they have subsequently witnessed him being blocked by Parliament. It was always going to be near impossible to get either a deal or no-deal through this parliament, but he needed the obstacles to doing so to be formalised and his opponents have duly obliged. Having until the end of January to negotiate Brexit will probably be quite useful as well.

Of course, we don’t yet know how this will play out. It could still go catastrophically wrong for Boris. But if he returns in triumph as Prime Minister then it will be because Dominic Cummings was right and the task of delivering Brexit was, in fact, rocket science.
 

Thank heavens the kangaroo court in Scotland will likely be over-ruled. Of course the Jocks would over-rule Boris, he's not that popular in the Union's most socialist country.


 
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