The Brexit Thread

[Hamish McPanji]

Going to be funny that despite all these tactical voting sites showing up, it will have almost no effect on the result:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1204436640904732672

Tactical voting is for the Twittersphere, not for the millions who actually vote

That's because of the schitty FPTP system. Makes it almost impossible for a non mainstream party to make inroads.

Typically between 50 and 65% of all votes don't actually count. So in essence, it's all tactical voting

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Is he not happy having an outsider parachuted in to replace the old Labour MP?

Keith Vaz was their MP for a while. I think he got chucked because of hookers and blow. True story

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

That's because of the schitty FPTP system. Makes it almost impossible for a non mainstream party to make inroads.

Typically between 50 and 65% of all votes don't actually count

That's true...but I also see how flawed PR is in South Africa where who gets into parliament is decided by the party rather than the voters (as in, the higher ranking you are given on the party list). I quite like the mixed systems used in some countries :

Mixed-member proportional representation - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In theory FPTP should create greater accountability but vast majority vote for party rather than their MP as we will see in a certain constituency known as Beaconsfield...

 

[Dave]

Keith Vaz was their MP for a while. I think he got chucked because of hookers and blow. True story

I remember that, but I've had a look at the new Labour candidate and while she appeared to be an outsider from London she is actually from your in-laws town.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

I remember that, but I've had a look at the new Labour candidate and while she appeared to be an outsider from London she is actually from your in-laws town.

Blantyre?

 

[Dave]

Blantyre?

Your in-laws have moved to Blantyre?

I hope they fixed the fence before they moved.

 

[Pitbull]

With the election tomorrow, I'm glad this Brexit shyte show will end soon. Borris to win Majority and get this shyte done.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

With the election tomorrow, I'm glad this Brexit shyte show will end soon. Borris to win Majority and get this shyte done.

It's getting quite close to hung parliament territory though, although this model isn't perfect. In 2017 it underestimated the Tories and overestimated Labour. They also overestimated the Scottish nationalist clowns by a fair degree.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1204521169824702464

 

[ToxicBunny]

It's getting quite close to hung parliament territory though, although this model isn't perfect. In 2017 it underestimated the Tories and overestimated Labour. They also overestimated the Scottish nationalist clowns by a fair degree.

So you are happy with polls now if they vaguely support your world view?

 

[Pitbull]

So you are happy with polls now if they vaguely support your world view?

Conservatives are mainly not bothered by online polls and shyte. US has learnt that the hard way. Polls are not reliable ever.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

So you are happy with polls now if they vaguely support your world view?

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[theratman]

What's that supposed to mean?

Means people post polls when it supports their views, and denounce polls when it doesn't.

 

[ToxicBunny]

What's that supposed to mean?

You dismiss any poll outright when it goes against your world view, but trumpet them from the roof tops when they do support your world view.

 

[rietrot]

Means people post polls when it supports their views, and denounce polls when it doesn't.

No people denounce BS polls when their methodology has been fixed to support a certain view.

There's a difference.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

You dismiss any poll outright when it goes against your world view, but trumpet them from the roof tops when they do support your world view.

I'm unaware of any poll that suggests anything besides the Conservatives being the largest party (and most likely a majority)?

Fifteen Former Labour MPs Sign Letter Saying Don’t Vote Labour

 

[ToxicBunny]

No people denounce BS polls when their methodology has been fixed to support a certain view.

There's a difference.

Nope, Chris denounces all polls that don't suit his world view....

 

[rietrot]

Nope, Chris denounces all polls that don't suit his world view....

I think you are confused or trolling. Probably just trolling.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I think you are confused or trolling. Probably just trolling.

Neither. Stating a pretty observable phenomenon.

 

[The Voice]

If polls meant anything, this thread wouldn't even exist because most polls indicated there wasn't a snow ball's chance in hell of the country voting Leave. And that was right up until the first results started trickling in.

 

[noxibox]

That's true...but I also see how flawed PR is in South Africa where who gets into parliament is decided by the party rather than the voters (as in, the higher ranking you are given on the party list).

In practice that doesn't mean much. Not when even in the UK the party can instruct members how to vote. First past the post tends to be favoured by the larger political parties because it gives them an unfair advantage. In South Africa you can see the benefit of proportional representation.

I must of course assume that all Leave supporters are opposed to first past the post because of the manner in which it denies people representation in government. They are after all all about the demos.

In theory FPTP should create greater accountability but vast majority vote for party rather than their MP as we will see in a certain constituency known as Beaconsfield...

You are voting for the party regardless. That's why there is a party manifesto.