The Elections Thread - 7 May 2014

Which party you will vote for in the 2014 election?

  • ANC

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • DA

    Votes: 379 81.9%

  • COPE

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • EFF

    Votes: 14 3.0%

  • FF+

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • IFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • NFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • ACDP

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • AGANG

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 27 5.8%
  • Total voters
    463
AstroTurf said:
I would imagine they fall under population growth...
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They wouldn't. The population only grows when new borns is greater than deaths. Thereby, increasing our population. I think what you're looking for is voter eligibility increasing - i.e.; "Born frees" - aka - people over the min voting age, who, were born post 1994.
 
Tander said:
They wouldn't. The population only grows when new borns is greater than deaths. Thereby, increasing our population. I think what you're looking for is voter eligibility increasing - i.e.; "Born frees" - aka - people over the min voting age, who, were born post 1994.
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I think you are getting a bit anal but if you like...

If it was not for population growth there would not be a larger amount of born frees to vote.
 
AstroTurf said:
I think you are getting a bit anal but if you like...

If it was not for population growth there would not be a larger amount of born frees to vote.
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Little anal? No. Just being factual.

Also, again, no. Even if our population grew over the last 5 years - the amount of people allowed to vote who, were born free - would still be the same - since they were bore closer to 1994. Not, so?

Population obviously grew in the last five years. However that has no effect on the current elections. People, getting older, do, though.
 
OBJECTIONS TO BE FINALISED: IEC

Four objections received by the Electoral Commission of SA (IEC) will be finalised before results are announced, chairwoman Pansy Tlakula said on Friday.

"We are still dealing with these objections so we are unable to tell you about the nature of these," she told reporters at the national results centre in Pretoria.

A complaint was received from the Economic Freedom Fighters, one from the Democratic Alliance and two from the United Democratic Movement.

Earlier, Tlakula said the final elections results would be announced at 6pm on Saturday.

"With 97.96 percent of results captured, we are confident of being able to announce the official results tomorrow," she said.

"As we speak, we are in the process of finalising the capture of the results in the last few remaining voting districts."

Just before lunch on Friday, the IEC had finalised the capturing of results in four provinces -- Mpumalanga, North West, Limpopo and Northern Cape, Tlakula said.

The five remaining provinces were almost complete.

Eastern Cape was 99.8 percent complete, Free State 94.7 percent, Gauteng 98.2 percent, KwaZulu-Natal 98.2 percent and Western Cape 98.3 percent.

Tlakula said 17.69 million votes had been captured nationally so far and 17.12 million provisionally.

"We are still awaiting the delivery of ballots from eight foreign missions for inclusion in the count for the international voting districts."


Source : Sapa /gq/hdw/jje
Date : 09 May 2014 14:41
 
Tander said:
Little anal? No. Just being factual.

Also, again, no. Even if our population grew over the last 5 years - the amount of people allowed to vote who, were born free - would still be the same - since they were bore closer to 1994. Not, so?

Population obviously grew in the last five years. However that has no effect on the current elections. People, getting older, do, though.
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Where did you get the 5 year number from?
 
AstroTurf said:
Where did you get the 5 year number from?
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It was five years ago, last month that we had our last national elections - 22/04/2009.
Anyone born in or after 1994 during that time could not vote. They would be 16 or younger. (Min voting age is 18)
So, population growth (live births ) is irrelevant between 2009 and 2014.
However, those who turned 18 or older over the last five years were eligible to vote in the 2014 elections. (these people who were not eligible to vote in 2009)
It has nothing to do with our population growth. I'm not digging at you - just stating that it has nothing to do with population growth.
 
Tander said:
It was five years ago, last month that we had our last national elections - 22/04/2009.
Anyone born in or after 1994 during that time could not vote. They would be 16 or younger. (Min voting age is 18)
So, population growth (live births ) is irrelevant between 2009 and 2014.
However, those who turned 18 or older over the last five years were eligible to vote in the 2014 elections. (these people who were not eligible to vote in 2009)
It has nothing to do with our population growth. I'm not digging at you - just stating that it has nothing to do with population growth.
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So what makes you assume that I am talking about population growth in the last 5 years?
 
AstroTurf said:
So what makes you assume that I am talking about population growth in the last 5 years?
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Sigh..

Dude, even if you're not - it's still irrelevant. Even if our population exploded over the last 17 years. (1997 till now) - it's still irrelevant. The only time population growth had an impact was between 1994 and 1997. Now, you could say that is what you were referring to. However, given the current context of this discussion we're trying to explain the extra votes from 2009. That can only be contributed to born frees and more people from the current pool of population, voting, who did not in 2009 (Either because they were lazy, didn't care or were not eligible. )

Let me clarify; population growth had nothing to do with it that would explain extra increase in votes from 2009 national elections.
 
ANC CRUISING TO OVERALL WIN

The African National Congress was leading the national elections with more than 11 million votes on Friday afternoon.

According to preliminary results the party had 11,181,338 votes by 3pm -- 62.24 percent of the national vote.

This was after 98.83 percent of counting had been completed.

In 2009, the ANC won the elections with 11,650,748 votes -- 65.90 percent of the national vote at the time.

The Democratic Alliance was by Friday afternoon still holding second spot with 3,983,328 votes -- 22.17 percent of the national vote.

In 2009, the opposition party had 16.66 percent of the vote.

Julius Malema's Economic Freedom Fighters was in third place with 1,126,811 votes (6.27 percent).

Political parties would need about 47,000 votes for a seat in Parliament.

Mamphela Ramphele's Agang SA looked to get one seat in the National Assembly. So far the party had received 50,378 (0.28 percent) of the vote.

The Inkatha Freedom Party had so far received 434,406 votes (2.42 percent) and the National Freedom Party, a breakaway from the IFP, had 284,638 votes (1.58 percent).

Bantu Holomisa's United Democratic Movement received 182,612 votes, and the Freedom Front Plus 162,217 votes.

The Congress of the People, which came in third place in 2009, was now in eighth place with 120,780 votes so far.

In 2009, it garnered 1,311,027 votes.

The Electoral Commission of SA (IEC) said final election results would be announced at 6pm on Saturday.

A total of 24,822,807 people had registered to vote for this election.


Source : Sapa /gq/hdw/jk
Date : 09 May 2014 15:25
 
MKFrost said:
DA made it to 4 million votes.....
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They should be very happy with their results. They only managed 2.9 million in 2009. 1.1 million extra votes over 5 years, where, ANC lost around 400k votes (Based on current numbers) - I'd say that was a successful election for them (The DA)
 
Tander said:
Sigh..

Dude, even if you're not - it's still irrelevant. Even if our population exploded over the last 17 years. (1997 till now) - it's still irrelevant. The only time population growth had an impact was between 1994 and 1997. Now, you could say that is what you were referring to. However, given the current context of this discussion we're trying to explain the extra votes from 2009. That can only be contributed to born frees and more people from the current pool of population, voting, who did not in 2009 (Either because they were lazy, didn't care or were not eligible. )

Let me clarify; population growth had nothing to do with it that would explain extra increase in votes from 2009 national elections.
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You that got anal about this :p

Population growth did have a lot to do with it.

1980 29,077,000 (over age 15 55.3%)
1990 36,794,000 (over age 15 57.9%)
2000 44,760,000 (over age 15 62.6%)
2010 50,133,000 (over age 15 65.2%)

Starting to see the trend?
Our population is growing, the amount of eligible voters in our population is growing as well. Also, the relevance of population growth would need to be calculated back from the age of the oldest eligible voter in the country, not by the age of democracy.

So back to the points made.
Population growth and Less Apathy would be my guess as the main culprits.
 
Tander said:
They should be very happy with their results. They only managed 2.9 million in 2009. 1.1 million extra votes over 5 years, where, ANC lost around 400k votes (Based on current numbers) - I'd say that was a successful election for them (The DA)
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After the abysmal performance of the ANC over the last five years, I would have expected 6 million votes for the DA.

IMO the DA did not do well enough.

Because the Sheeple will always vote ANC.
 
AstroTurf said:
You that got anal about this :p

Population growth did have a lot to do with it.

1980 29,077,000 (over age 15 55.3%)
1990 36,794,000 (over age 15 57.9%)
2000 44,760,000 (over age 15 62.6%)
2010 50,133,000 (over age 15 65.2%)

Starting to see the trend?
Our population is growing, the amount of eligible voters in our population is growing as well. Also, the relevance of population growth would need to be calculated back from the age of the oldest eligible voter in the country, not by the age of democracy.

So back to the points made.
Population growth and Less Apathy would be my guess as the main culprits.
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When you twist it like that - sure, population growth in people over the legal age to vote. However, Population growth by definition is:
population growth
Web definitions
increase in the number of people who inhabit a territory or state
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Not people who are getting older...

Therefor no, population growth had nothing to do with it.
 
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LOL, anyway, I did not need to add the ages as that is expectable but ya, let's not get to "anal" about this :)
 
AstroTurf said:
LOL, anyway, I did not need to add the ages as that is expectable but ya, let's not get to "anal" about this :)
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So we will agree that population growth had nothing to do with it?

Unless of course you prove me wrong. (Which, btw, you haven't) :p :)
 
Tander said:
So we will agree that population growth had nothing to do with it?

Unless of course you prove me wrong. (Which, btw, you haven't) :p :)
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It's subjective but more people = more votes, I am waiting for you to prove me wrong on that score :)
 
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