The Home Improvements Thread (2)

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gbyleveldt said:
So we finally managed to get the pump and filtration system installed

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And it works - beautifully! That vacuum tank really helps with maintaining pressure and drastically reduces the amount of times the pump needs to kick in. I did a test where we'd open a tap for 20 seconds and the pump wouldn't kick in. And taking a shower (let's say 3-4 minutes) the pump would only kick in once for around 45 seconds during that time. I'm genuinely impressed with water pressure as well! Our municipal pressure is around 1500L/hr and the pump is rated at 3500L/hr, so we have better water pressure than we had direct from the municipal feed. Since Friday, the water was out twice (when looking at the WhatsApp groups) and we genuinely didn't even notice.

All the prep work has been done for the 2nd tank, which I ended up ordering on Friday. So once this gets delivered it'll be quick to hook that up then the system will be complete. I also had my doubts about the filtration system keeping up, but that doesn't seem to be an issue either. And it worked out much cheaper than going for the grossly overpriced JoJo system - I even bought enough filter cartridges to last me 2 years and it was still cheaper than the initial JoJo setup
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How noisy is the pump when it runs?
 
gbyleveldt said:
So we finally managed to get the pump and filtration system installed

View attachment 1498583
And it works - beautifully! That vacuum tank really helps with maintaining pressure and drastically reduces the amount of times the pump needs to kick in. I did a test where we'd open a tap for 20 seconds and the pump wouldn't kick in. And taking a shower (let's say 3-4 minutes) the pump would only kick in once for around 45 seconds during that time. I'm genuinely impressed with water pressure as well! Our municipal pressure is around 1500L/hr and the pump is rated at 3500L/hr, so we have better water pressure than we had direct from the municipal feed. Since Friday, the water was out twice (when looking at the WhatsApp groups) and we genuinely didn't even notice.

All the prep work has been done for the 2nd tank, which I ended up ordering on Friday. So once this gets delivered it'll be quick to hook that up then the system will be complete. I also had my doubts about the filtration system keeping up, but that doesn't seem to be an issue either. And it worked out much cheaper than going for the grossly overpriced JoJo system - I even bought enough filter cartridges to last me 2 years and it was still cheaper than the initial JoJo setup
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Looks very nice. That is an accumulator under the pump and not a vacuum tank? Just remember to check the air charge pressure once in a while (you will hear the pump turn on more frequently).
 
furpile said:
Looks very nice. That is an accumulator under the pump and not a vacuum tank? Just remember to check the air charge pressure once in a while (you will hear the pump turn on more frequently).
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Yeah, you're quite correct. I saw it described as a vacuum tank somewhere and it stuck. Someone more competent than me pointed out my mistake. Do you know what the pressure should be? This pump came with absolutely no manual at all
 
gbyleveldt said:
Yeah, you're quite correct. I saw it described as a vacuum tank somewhere and it stuck. Someone more competent than me pointed out my mistake. Do you know what the pressure should be? This pump came with absolutely no manual at all
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I've read a few other products all recommending 1.5-1.7bar using a car tyre pump.
My dab pumps tank says 1.5bar on it.

This tallas pump says 1.6bar:
FILLING THE EXPANSION VESSEL WITH AIR The pressure in the expansion vessel must be approx. 1.6 +-0.2 bar. It is preloaded in the factory, so at the first start-up no operation is required. To fill it with air you need an air pump or a device for inflating tyres with a pressure gauge (manometer). 1. Unscrew the protective cover. 2. Apply the air pump or the tyre inflating device to the valve of the boiler, pump air until the pressure gauge indicates about 1.6 +-0.2 bar. 3. Screw the protective cover back on.
 
gbyleveldt said:
Yeah, you're quite correct. I saw it described as a vacuum tank somewhere and it stuck. Someone more competent than me pointed out my mistake. Do you know what the pressure should be? This pump came with absolutely no manual at all
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I think the one my father in law used was 2 bar but it would be best to check for the pump you have. You can measure the current pressure if you have a gauge. Just make sure to remove water pressure first. You will hear when the pump turns on much more often than it is doing now, then you can just pump it up again.
 
furpile said:
Looks very nice. That is an accumulator under the pump and not a vacuum tank? Just remember to check the air charge pressure once in a while (you will hear the pump turn on more frequently).
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Yip. There's a bladder inside. Those things perish. Those tanks can also explode - ask my friend.
 
gbyleveldt said:
So we finally managed to get the pump and filtration system installed

View attachment 1498583
And it works - beautifully! That vacuum tank really helps with maintaining pressure and drastically reduces the amount of times the pump needs to kick in. I did a test where we'd open a tap for 20 seconds and the pump wouldn't kick in. And taking a shower (let's say 3-4 minutes) the pump would only kick in once for around 45 seconds during that time. I'm genuinely impressed with water pressure as well! Our municipal pressure is around 1500L/hr and the pump is rated at 3500L/hr, so we have better water pressure than we had direct from the municipal feed. Since Friday, the water was out twice (when looking at the WhatsApp groups) and we genuinely didn't even notice.

All the prep work has been done for the 2nd tank, which I ended up ordering on Friday. So once this gets delivered it'll be quick to hook that up then the system will be complete. I also had my doubts about the filtration system keeping up, but that doesn't seem to be an issue either. And it worked out much cheaper than going for the grossly overpriced JoJo system - I even bought enough filter cartridges to last me 2 years and it was still cheaper than the initial JoJo setup
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Looks very nice. How much all in if you don't mind me asking?
 
gbyleveldt said:
Thank you! Hmmm, around R12k'ish as it stands there. I under budgeted for the fluff (copper pipe and fittings) as these were surprisingly expensive.
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Where did you get the filters from?
I'm wondering if I should install a filter system while I do mine
 
gbyleveldt said:
Thank you! Hmmm, around R12k'ish as it stands there. I under budgeted for the fluff (copper pipe and fittings) as these were surprisingly expensive.
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12k isn't bad - i would've guessed double that. Thank you for the reference - need to look into this soon
 
gbyleveldt said:
Thank you! Hmmm, around R12k'ish as it stands there. I under budgeted for the fluff (copper pipe and fittings) as these were surprisingly expensive.
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Matter of interest, any reason why copper was chosen instead of polycop pipe?
 
I was looking for a place on the forum's to post this question, but seeing as Jojo's are being discussed here, i will try here.

I had a jojo installed a few weeks ago, and the pump was bought from Build it. Its loud, very loud, like irritatingly loud! Our swimming pool pump's bearings gave in last year, and this pump sounds like that, a high pitched, whining sound. I am just waiting for the neighbour's complaint letters! lol

I had the plumber that installed it back at our place. "Yea, thats how they sound", i took a voice clip of it, and went to build it. "Yea, thats how they sound"

The weird thing is, sometimes its quiet, and then it goes completely ape **** again

If i close the water supply a bit that goes into the pump from the Jojo, it gets quieter, but the plumber said, dont do that.

Any idea's? and if it really is suppose to be that loud, is there any way i can quiet it down?


edit* one thing i forgot, the pump has a built in pressure gauge, and its on 4bar, not sure if the pump senses thats what it can do, or if it was set to 4 by the plumber, and if the latter, will setting it higher or lower result in a softer pump?
 
tonedeff said:
I was looking for a place on the forum's to post this question, but seeing as Jojo's are being discussed here, i will try here.

I had a jojo installed a few weeks ago, and the pump was bought from Build it. Its loud, very loud, like irritatingly loud! Our swimming pool pump's bearings gave in last year, and this pump sounds like that, a high pitched, whining sound. I am just waiting for the neighbour's complaint letters! lol

I had the plumber that installed it back at our place. "Yea, thats how they sound", i took a voice clip of it, and went to build it. "Yea, thats how they sound"

The weird thing is, sometimes its quiet, and then it goes completely ape **** again

If i close the water supply a bit that goes into the pump from the Jojo, it gets quieter, but the plumber said, dont do that.

Any idea's? and if it really is suppose to be that loud, is there any way i can quiet it down?


edit* one thing i forgot, the pump has a built in pressure gauge, and its on 4bar, not sure if the pump senses thats what it can do, or if it was set to 4 by the plumber, and if the latter, will setting it higher or lower result in a softer pump?
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Your best bet is to check, double check and triple check that there are zero leaks anywhere.. the moment air gets sucked into the pump, the pump will be extra noisy..
 
WAslayer said:
Your best bet is to check, double check and triple check that there are zero leaks anywhere.. the moment air gets sucked into the pump, the pump will be extra noisy..
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Thanks, i will double check, but didnt see any leaks visible
 
tonedeff said:
I was looking for a place on the forum's to post this question, but seeing as Jojo's are being discussed here, i will try here.

I had a jojo installed a few weeks ago, and the pump was bought from Build it. Its loud, very loud, like irritatingly loud! Our swimming pool pump's bearings gave in last year, and this pump sounds like that, a high pitched, whining sound. I am just waiting for the neighbour's complaint letters! lol

I had the plumber that installed it back at our place. "Yea, thats how they sound", i took a voice clip of it, and went to build it. "Yea, thats how they sound"

The weird thing is, sometimes its quiet, and then it goes completely ape **** again

If i close the water supply a bit that goes into the pump from the Jojo, it gets quieter, but the plumber said, dont do that.

Any idea's? and if it really is suppose to be that loud, is there any way i can quiet it down?


edit* one thing i forgot, the pump has a built in pressure gauge, and its on 4bar, not sure if the pump senses thats what it can do, or if it was set to 4 by the plumber, and if the latter, will setting it higher or lower result in a softer pump?
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According to a plumber on the 4x4community forums, he says that peripheral pumps are quite noisy.
There are 4 options I can think of:

1. You can cover it with a pump cover and try insulate the pump cover to reduce noise.

2. get a pressure tank connected to your pump which will stop your pump from running for every little tap opening.

3. Get a silent pump

4. Use your pump only as a backup when municipal pressure is low

The pump I originally wanted was an adendorff 750w, but after hearing it on a filtershop.co.za youtube video, I went searching for something quiter. Apparently the jojo and adendorff pumps are identical.

Is the 4 bar while the pump is operating or off?
 
Fcon_Vpro said:
According to a plumber on the 4x4community forums, he says that peripheral pumps are quite noisy.
There are 4 options I can think of:

1. You can cover it with a pump cover and try insulate the pump cover to reduce noise.

2. get a pressure tank connected to your pump which will stop your pump from running for every little tap opening.

3. Get a silent pump

4. Use your pump only as a backup when municipal pressure is low

The pump I originally wanted was an adendorff 750w, but after hearing it on a filtershop.co.za youtube video, I went searching for something quiter. Apparently the jojo and adendorff pumps are identical.

Is the 4 bar while the pump is operating or off?
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Thanks for the reply, just bought a housing for it today, will insulate it and test

Pump is currently set up as a backup, but we have been (water shedding?) without water the past week from 5pm till 6 am every day, so its been screaming, i mean working, during those times every day.

the pump shows 4bar when the pump is on, aka powered, and busy working/pumping water,
 
tonedeff said:
I was looking for a place on the forum's to post this question, but seeing as Jojo's are being discussed here, i will try here.

I had a jojo installed a few weeks ago, and the pump was bought from Build it. Its loud, very loud, like irritatingly loud! Our swimming pool pump's bearings gave in last year, and this pump sounds like that, a high pitched, whining sound. I am just waiting for the neighbour's complaint letters! lol

I had the plumber that installed it back at our place. "Yea, thats how they sound", i took a voice clip of it, and went to build it. "Yea, thats how they sound"

The weird thing is, sometimes its quiet, and then it goes completely ape **** again

If i close the water supply a bit that goes into the pump from the Jojo, it gets quieter, but the plumber said, dont do that.

Any idea's? and if it really is suppose to be that loud, is there any way i can quiet it down?


edit* one thing i forgot, the pump has a built in pressure gauge, and its on 4bar, not sure if the pump senses thats what it can do, or if it was set to 4 by the plumber, and if the latter, will setting it higher or lower result in a softer pump?
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But how loud is the pump?





:ROFL:
 
tonedeff said:
Thanks for the reply, just bought a housing for it today, will insulate it and test

Pump is currently set up as a backup, but we have been (water shedding?) without water the past week from 5pm till 6 am every day, so its been screaming, i mean working, during those times every day.

the pump shows 4bar when the pump is on, aka powered, and busy working/pumping water,
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That 4 bar is normal then.
If it could pressurize the system at 4 bar when not running id be very impressed.
Basically your controller will allow the pump to boost pressure as high as it can when the tap is open and then generally they turn off like 10seconds after water stops flowing through the pump.
You cant adjust pressure on that controller.
You would need to buy an adjustable controller that will allow you to set what pressure the pump should kick in/try hold.
 
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