The ICC T20 World Cup 2016 thread

Xzib1t said:
Us I recon, SL still recovering from not having Malinga as well as the retirement of Sangakkara and Jayawardene

We had a full strength squad...
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I will concur. On paper this is a team that was expected to go into the final. Another WC comes and goes. Another opportunity to feel robbed by moments of sheer poop.
 
sand_man said:
Poorly coached team. They don't get the fundamentals right. That's why I say they need someone like Jennings. You play like you practice and it's clear these guys don't practice very hard.

They need someone to take them by the scruff of the neck and say, 'okay, enough of the music videos, get out there and practice you bloody running between wickets'!
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Spot on
 
stefan9 said:
When has jennings approach ever worked at the top professional level? All that approach will do is get the players turning against him like what happened at the proteas,gauteng and bangalore before.

The side needs an innovative guy who understand how be tough but also compassionate. Jennings can only do the tough part so no thx.
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compassionate? :wtf:

"Ag shame poor quinsy winsy, your running between wickets is erm, a bit kuk, but never mind, have a lollipop"
"What's that Steynsie, ball just won't go where you want it to go? Here, have a pair of 3D glasses, maybe that will help"
"Faf, faf, faf [shakes head], here is a hot compress for your frozen brain"
"KG, demmit bro! Those wides and long hops were a bit expensive what...ah well, I can see you're in pain - here, go have nice relaxing bath [hands KG a bottle of Shipmate bubble bath]

They need someone who is hard, but fair, someone who helps them aspire to their best, and someone who scouts out the conditions well beforehand, picks the right team for the conditions, and sends the goddamned captain and bowlers in with a proper fecking plan - like the Kiwis do!

Our guys were one-dimensional and clueless when faced with conditions that they were clearly not properly prepared for.
 
Having read articles and listening to 'experts' on TV on why SA failed, I don't understand the main reason why we lost is: We never player more than 2 slower blowers
See stats below where slow = Tahir, Phangiso, Duminy and Behardien vs fast = Steyn, Rabada, Abbot, Wiese, Morris.
The difference is a score of 130 vs 190.

Type Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Ave Econ SR
Slow 30 0 174 12 16.8 6.5 14.8
Fast 49 0 456 19 39.9 9.5 25.3

P.S: Sorry not sure how to insert a table.


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rocket science i tell you.



The brains trust behind the team lack brains and trust.

It seems like they do this on purpose every WC.
 
sand_man said:
Wiki
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I don't see any trophies in that wiki article...

Like I said great coach at youth team level but doesn't work very well at the top level.

Pegasus said:
Ja, have to agree with getting Jennings. He is good at coaching kids.

On a more realistic note, I'd actually pick someone like Stephen Fleming.
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Would love someone like fleming but he would never accept the job with the political interference.

AfricanTech said:
compassionate? :wtf:

"Ag shame poor quinsy winsy, your running between wickets is erm, a bit kuk, but never mind, have a lollipop"
"What's that Steynsie, ball just won't go where you want it to go? Here, have a pair of 3D glasses, maybe that will help"
"Faf, faf, faf [shakes head], here is a hot compress for your frozen brain"
"KG, demmit bro! Those wides and long hops were a bit expensive what...ah well, I can see you're in pain - here, go have nice relaxing bath [hands KG a bottle of Shipmate bubble bath]

They need someone who is hard, but fair, someone who helps them aspire to their best, and someone who scouts out the conditions well beforehand, picks the right team for the conditions, and sends the goddamned captain and bowlers in with a proper fecking plan - like the Kiwis do!

Our guys were one-dimensional and clueless when faced with conditions that they were clearly not properly prepared for.
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Ever heard of the story of Jose Mourinho sending wesley sneijder to the beach before the champions league knock outs in 2010. Wes came back as best player of the cl that year.

You need to know your players. Sometimes compassion is needed and sometimes you need to be hard. Great managers/coaches can be both.
 
stefan9 said:
I don't see any trophies in that wiki article...
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Yeah, only a world cup winning medal but they so common place in our cricketing history.

The fundamentals remain the same regardless of age group. Train hard, practice hard, put in more effort than your competitors and you will truimph. That was pretty much the ethos which Hanise's Proteas followed and for the most part it served them well. 99 has been our best effort to date.

Our most successful national coaches have usually coached at age group level. Think PDV and Jake White.
 
sand_man said:
Yeah, only a world cup winning medal but they so common place in our cricketing history.

The fundamentals remain the same regardless of age group. Train hard, practice hard, put in more effort than your competitors and you will truimph. That was pretty much the ethos which Hanise's Proteas followed and for the most part it served them well. 99 has been our best effort to date.

Our most successful national coaches have usually coached at age group level. Think PDV and Jake White.
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The 99 world cup we had Lance Klusener with a tally of 281 runs at 140.50 and strike rate of 122.20 to go with 17 wickets at 20.58.
Line up in the semi final
G Kirsten
HH Gibbs
DJ Cullinan
WJ Cronje
JH Kallis
JN Rhodes
SM Pollock
L Klusener
MV Boucher†
S Elworthy
AA Donald

^^ Lower order 7 Pollock 9 Klusener 10 Boucher :love: 4 All rounder in the team, today we can't find 1.
Replace Elworthy with Nicky Boje and 5 All rounders.
 
DanDango said:
The 99 world cup we had Lance Klusener with a tally of 281 runs at 140.50 and strike rate of 122.20 to go with 17 wickets at 20.58.
Line up in the semi final
G Kirsten
HH Gibbs
DJ Cullinan
WJ Cronje
JH Kallis
JN Rhodes
SM Pollock
L Klusener
MV Boucher†
S Elworthy
AA Donald

^^ Lower order 7 Pollock 9 Klusener 10 Boucher :love: 4 All rounder in the team, today we can't find 1.
Replace Elworthy with Nicky Boje and 5 All rounders.
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That was a pretty terrible world cup for everyone except Klusener...he pretty much carried us to that semi and almost bailed us out again. To be honest, we didn't deserve to be there either.
 
If NZ win the T20 WC, they'll be the fifth different winner. No team has won it twice yet. You have to now favour India though. Their 'get out of jail' effort against Bangladesh coupled with Kohli's heroics against the Aussies means all the momentum is with them.

Trying to work out what the Windies are doing. They scraped past us (a game WE should've won) and got beaten by the Afghans. I wouldn't write them off but they don't seem to be the team they were at the start of the tournament.

England by all rights shouldn't be here but they are and as we've seen ( :cry: ), have the firepower to chase down any score . If they lose, it won't be their batting that's let them down though.

NZ will be quietly confident. They haven't won a game yet when chasing so if they are put in that situation it will be interesting to see how they fare. Guptill should be fit to play which will be welcome.

Going for a NZ/India final with India eventually winning.
 
Neoprod said:
That was a pretty terrible world cup for everyone except Klusener...he pretty much carried us to that semi and almost bailed us out again. To be honest, we didn't deserve to be there either.
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Gibbs show boating and Donald/Klusener disastrous running between wickets basically cost us the trophy. 2 brain fart moments that cost us dearly...
 
I think '96 was our best performance in a World Cup in terms of dominating the opposition...pity Lara and our one poor batting performance came on the same day. Winning margins for the group games below -

South Africa won by 169 runs
South Africa won by 5 wickets (with 75 balls remaining)
South Africa won by 78 runs
South Africa won by 5 wickets (with 34 balls remaining)
South Africa won by 160 runs

then came the QF which we lost by 19 after being in a solid position till Hansie got out.
 
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