The LONMIN share price thread

Shi

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That is correct.
That's how I understand it.
Of course I am open to correction in fact for my own sake I hope I am wrong.

Incorrect, a share consolidation happens at the current trading price. It is in no way related to the rights issue price. So, if the share price drops to 10c, the consolidation will take the price to R10. Essentially, the value of your shares will be the same before and after the consolidation e.g. 1000 shares at 20c = R200 vs 10 shares at R20 = R200.
 

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Incorrect, a share consolidation happens at the current trading price. It is in no way related to the rights issue price. So, if the share price drops to 10c, the consolidation will take the price to R10. Essentially, the value of your shares will be the same before and after the consolidation e.g. 1000 shares at 20c = R200 vs 10 shares at R20 = R200.

Does that mean they adjust your number of shares to keep your value the same at the consolidated price?
It seems you are all amateurs just like me.
 

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Incorrect, a share consolidation happens at the current trading price. It is in no way related to the rights issue price. So, if the share price drops to 10c, the consolidation will take the price to R10. Essentially, the value of your shares will be the same before and after the consolidation e.g. 1000 shares at 20c = R200 vs 10 shares at R20 = R200.

How did you do this math?

Should it not be 10 shares at R10 = R100?
 

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I'm guessing the share price will stay around the 20-22 mark until the consolidation. I'm also guessing alot of people bought shares in the hope that we'd see another swing up to R1,they were just too late to get in on the action and it was likely a once off movement.
 

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I'm guessing the share price will stay around the 20-22 mark until the consolidation. I'm also guessing alot of people bought shares in the hope that we'd see another swing up to R1,they were just too late to get in on the action and it was likely a once off movement.

short squeeze
 

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I'm guessing the share price will stay around the 20-22 mark until the consolidation. I'm also guessing alot of people bought shares in the hope that we'd see another swing up to R1,they were just too late to get in on the action and it was likely a once off movement.

That ^^^ I should have sold at R1.00, would have made 300% profit in one day.
 

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Incorrect, a share consolidation happens at the current trading price. It is in no way related to the rights issue price. So, if the share price drops to 10c, the consolidation will take the price to R10. Essentially, the value of your shares will be the same before and after the consolidation e.g. 1000 shares at 20c = R200 vs 10 shares at R20 = R200.

Then a fck load of shareholders are getting analy vibed

But it's good news for me :)
 

theratman

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That ^^^ I should have sold at R1.00, would have made 300% profit in one day.

Yeah but chalk it up to school fees and an easy equity bugger up.

I face similar problems in sports trading,cash out at a smaller profit or let it ride and risk losing it all.Depends what kind of person you are and your confidence in your decision and research at the end of the day.
 

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Nope.

Otherwise they will fck over the shareholders.

Consolidation happens over the agreed upon price of the rights issue

Incorrect. Consolidation does not happen at a specific price. Ever. It converts a certain number of shares into a new number of shares without changing the value (because there is no fundamental change in the company so there should be no fundamental change in value). In this case 100 shares are being converted into 1 share. In order for the value to remain the same the new share must have a price of 100x the old share's price at that point in time.
 

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Incorrect, a share consolidation happens at the current trading price. It is in no way related to the rights issue price. So, if the share price drops to 10c, the consolidation will take the price to R10. Essentially, the value of your shares will be the same before and after the consolidation e.g. 1000 shares at 20c = R200 vs 10 shares at R20 = R200.

This is correct
 

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Incorrect. Consolidation does not happen at a specific price. Ever. It converts a certain number of shares into a new number of shares without changing the value (because there is no fundamental change in the company so there should be no fundamental change in value). In this case 100 shares are being converted into 1 share. In order for the value to remain the same the new share must have a price of 100x the old share's price at that point in time.

Logically that makes more sense.

I just hope reality plays ball

Also... I am so scared it goes into the twenties and then a mass sell off leaving me with little amount of consolidated shares worth nothing
 

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How did you do this math?
Should it not be 10 shares at R10 = R100?

The example used a different price to the one in the explanation so lets try it again
1000 shares at 10c = R100 vs 10 shares at R10 = R100.
 

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When It Rains It Pours as China Unleashes Commodity Torrent. There’s no let-up in the onslaught of commodities from China

While the country’s total exports are slowing in dollar terms, shipments of steel, oil products and aluminum are reaching for new highs, according to trade data from the General Administration of Customs. That’s because mills, smelters and refiners are producing more than they need amid slowing domestic demand, and shipping the excess overseas.

The flood is compounding a worldwide surplus of commodities that’s driven returns from raw materials to the lowest since 1999, threatening producers from India to Pennsylvania and aggravating trade disputes. While companies such as India’s JSW Steel Ltd. decry cheap exports as unfair, China says the overcapacity is a global problem.

“It puts global commodities producers in a bad situation as China struggles with excess supplies of base metals, steel and oil products,” Kang Yoo Jin, a commodities analyst at NH Investment & Securities Co., said by phone from Seoul. “The surplus of commodities is becoming a real pain for China and to ease the glut, it’s increasing its shipments overseas.”

Net fuel exports surged to an all-time high of 2.22 million metric tons in November, 77 percent above the previous month, customs data showed. Aluminum shipments jumped 37 percent to the second-highest level on record while sales of steel products climbed 6.5 percent, taking annual exports above 100 million tons for the first time.

Aluminum prices on the London Metal Exchange have fallen 20 percent this year to $1,477 a ton as of Tuesday.

Chinese oil refiners are tapping export markets to reduce swelling fuel stockpiles, particularly diesel. The nation is also encouraging overseas shipments by allowing independent plants to apply for export quotas to sustain refining operation rates and ease an economic slowdown, according to Yuan Jun, general manager at oil trader China Zhenhua Oil Co.
Economic Slowdown

A slowdown in domestic aluminum demand has coincided with the start-up of millions of tons of new capacity in the world’s biggest producer while Chinese steelmakers battling losses have stepped up exports to compensate for shrinking consumption at home as economic growth weakens. The country makes about half the world’s steel.

The flood of Chinese supplies is roiling manufacturers around the world and exacerbating trade frictions. The steel market is being overwhelmed with metal from China’s government-owned and state-supported producers, a collection of industry associations have said. The nine groups, including Eurofer and the American Iron and Steel Institute, said there is almost 700 million tons of excess capacity around the world, with the Asian nation contributing as much as 425 million tons.
Steel Curbs

Low-cost supply from China in Europe prompted producer ArcelorMittal to reduce its profit forecast and suspend its dividend. India’s government has signaled it’s planning more curbs on steel imports while regulators in the U.S. are planning to lift levies on shipments from some Chinese companies.

It’s not all one-way traffic. Copper imports into the country, the biggest refined metal producer and user, surged to the highest in 22 months in November as traders sought to profit from cheaper prices in London and financing demand rose before the end of the year. China’s crude purchases climbed 3.8 percent and the nation bought 8.8 percent more iron ore.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...it-pours-as-china-unleashes-commodity-torrent
 

Napalm2880

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Total share trading noob here. Some quick questions:

Why am I unable to buy Lonmin shares currently?
At what point will I be able to buy Lonmin shares again?
What is a "rights issue"?
What potential actions would make the share price rise in the short, medium and long term?
 

Thor

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When It Rains It Pours as China Unleashes Commodity Torrent. There’s no let-up in the onslaught of commodities from China

While the country’s total exports are slowing in dollar terms, shipments of steel, oil products and aluminum are reaching for new highs, according to trade data from the General Administration of Customs. That’s because mills, smelters and refiners are producing more than they need amid slowing domestic demand, and shipping the excess overseas.

The flood is compounding a worldwide surplus of commodities that’s driven returns from raw materials to the lowest since 1999, threatening producers from India to Pennsylvania and aggravating trade disputes. While companies such as India’s JSW Steel Ltd. decry cheap exports as unfair, China says the overcapacity is a global problem.

“It puts global commodities producers in a bad situation as China struggles with excess supplies of base metals, steel and oil products,” Kang Yoo Jin, a commodities analyst at NH Investment & Securities Co., said by phone from Seoul. “The surplus of commodities is becoming a real pain for China and to ease the glut, it’s increasing its shipments overseas.”

Net fuel exports surged to an all-time high of 2.22 million metric tons in November, 77 percent above the previous month, customs data showed. Aluminum shipments jumped 37 percent to the second-highest level on record while sales of steel products climbed 6.5 percent, taking annual exports above 100 million tons for the first time.

Aluminum prices on the London Metal Exchange have fallen 20 percent this year to $1,477 a ton as of Tuesday.

Chinese oil refiners are tapping export markets to reduce swelling fuel stockpiles, particularly diesel. The nation is also encouraging overseas shipments by allowing independent plants to apply for export quotas to sustain refining operation rates and ease an economic slowdown, according to Yuan Jun, general manager at oil trader China Zhenhua Oil Co.
Economic Slowdown

A slowdown in domestic aluminum demand has coincided with the start-up of millions of tons of new capacity in the world’s biggest producer while Chinese steelmakers battling losses have stepped up exports to compensate for shrinking consumption at home as economic growth weakens. The country makes about half the world’s steel.

The flood of Chinese supplies is roiling manufacturers around the world and exacerbating trade frictions. The steel market is being overwhelmed with metal from China’s government-owned and state-supported producers, a collection of industry associations have said. The nine groups, including Eurofer and the American Iron and Steel Institute, said there is almost 700 million tons of excess capacity around the world, with the Asian nation contributing as much as 425 million tons.
Steel Curbs

Low-cost supply from China in Europe prompted producer ArcelorMittal to reduce its profit forecast and suspend its dividend. India’s government has signaled it’s planning more curbs on steel imports while regulators in the U.S. are planning to lift levies on shipments from some Chinese companies.

It’s not all one-way traffic. Copper imports into the country, the biggest refined metal producer and user, surged to the highest in 22 months in November as traders sought to profit from cheaper prices in London and financing demand rose before the end of the year. China’s crude purchases climbed 3.8 percent and the nation bought 8.8 percent more iron ore.

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how does this tie into lonmin and the platinum price?
 
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