The Middle East Conflict Thread

[JK8]

to back up my post on the previous page:




http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=63&x_article=1205

Israel learnt from its mistakes in 2006

Whats does this mean??

Hamas fired at least 30 rockets across the border at Israel on Friday and another two on Saturday. No casualties or damage were caused by Saturday's rocket attacks.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2451261,00.html

 

[semiautomatix]

i'm curious how "ANC -> Crime"? how did you arrive at this?

are you suggesting that becoz people have more rights they are going to choose to be criminals instead of get decent jobs?

No, because the ANC has failed in creating the jobs it promised (people become disillusioned and feel there is no longer an option since their only hope turned their backs on them) and is failing in providing adequate policing. R40 billion on submarines we don't use when there is a war raging between police and criminals within the Republic!

 

[nivek]

it means they're still working on the problem

 

[semiautomatix]

they're doing the same thing with "farm murders" in south africa. stabbed in an alley and you're white? farm murder. hijacked and on your way to work in Joburg? farm murder. it's the same anywhere, people always use statistics for their own purpose

That must be some good skunk you're smoking! Cause that is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard!

I've lost all respect for you and your comments.

 

[JK8]

No, because the ANC has failed in creating the jobs it promised (people become disillusioned and feel there is no longer an option since their only hope turned their backs on them) and is failing in providing adequate policing. R40 billion on submarines we don't use when there is a war raging between police and criminals within the Republic!

They a "terrorist" organisation that fought against an evil regime and won the rights to equality for the people of this country!!

Finished, ldont derail the thread.

 

[CyraxHB]

they're doing the same thing with "farm murders" in south africa. stabbed in an alley and you're white? farm murder. hijacked and on your way to work in Joburg? farm murder. it's the same anywhere, people always use statistics for their own purpose

Thats one of the most idiotic statements Ive heard.

Pls provide a link to back this up.

 

[semiautomatix]

They a "terrorist" organisation that fought against an evil regime and won the rights to equality for the people of this country!!

Finished, ldont derail the thread.

Its all fun and games till you have a gun held to your head. Unfortunately we've moved beyond the last 15 years, but you seem to be stuck in a time warp. Its 2009 now and where are we? Most people would say in the same position, if not a worse one.

 

[JK8]

Correct, Israel withdrew from Gaza and dismantle settlements at a create political cost to them. The deal was land for peace. Did they get any good will back from the Palestinians? No, only thousands of rockets.

"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

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[JK8]

Its all fun and games till you have a gun held to your head. Unfortunately we've moved beyond the last 15 years, but you seem to be stuck in a time warp. Its 2009 now and where are we? Most people would say in the same position, if not a worse one.

Atleast its most people and atleast they have the right to have a say!

 

[STS]

Thats one of the most idiotic statements Ive heard.

Pls provide a link to back this up.

i don't have statistics or reports, i don't believe in them. what i do have is people messaging me and telling me these "facts." recently i found this link:

http://killallwhitey.blogspot.com/2008/10/dangers-of-crying-wolf.html

i mean it doesn't matter if it is or isn't true, what IS true that people bend things to suit their purpose and make things more shocking. people always exaggerate stories and events. it doesn't make it any less atrocious or horrible if it's less.

 

[STS]

Its all fun and games till you have a gun held to your head. Unfortunately we've moved beyond the last 15 years, but you seem to be stuck in a time warp. Its 2009 now and where are we? Most people would say in the same position, if not a worse one.

worse than being treated less than human?

let's get back on track tho, there are other topics for this

 

[semiautomatix]

worse than being treated less than human?

let's get back on track tho, there are other topics for this

When you're dead or your entire family is dead, it all seems quite insignificant.

But yes, another topic for another day.

 

[semiautomatix]

i don't have statistics or reports, i don't believe in them. what i do have is people messaging me and telling me these "facts." recently i found this link:

http://killallwhitey.blogspot.com/2008/10/dangers-of-crying-wolf.html

i mean it doesn't matter if it is or isn't true, what IS true that people bend things to suit their purpose and make things more shocking. people always exaggerate stories and events. it doesn't make it any less atrocious or horrible if it's less.

Same guy:

Deep , cutting rhetoric anonimous.

*rolls eyes.

Still with the threats aye ?

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough last time.

SUCK MY THROBBING COCK.

"Hah ! Fine for Australia to talk. They have a much higher tourist murder rate than we have. Fact !"

ROTFLMAO!!!!! You ****!!!! Worse than gman!!!

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You find that controversial ? Try this on for six...

4 times more british tourists were murdered in australia than in south africa in the period since 2001.

Go read the post you dickwad.

****ing blowhards. I'd be more afraid if I'd just discovered a feather in my matress.

Yup, I'll take his writing very seriously from now on.

 

[STS]

would you want to die a free man or live as a second rate human your whole life? what says you deserve any less tha nthe man next to you? what says you deserve anything at all?

it's just like JK8's quote :

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
Golda Meir

who would want to live a life having not existed?

 

[CyraxHB]

i don't have statistics or reports, i don't believe in them. what i do have is people messaging me and telling me these "facts." recently i found this link:

http://killallwhitey.blogspot.com/2008/10/dangers-of-crying-wolf.html

i mean it doesn't matter if it is or isn't true, what IS true that people bend things to suit their purpose and make things more shocking. people always exaggerate stories and events. it doesn't make it any less atrocious or horrible if it's less.

So you dont believe in statistics or reports but you will believe a racist site called killallwhitey?

With beliefs like yours, no sane person would take your views seriously.

 

[semiautomatix]

would you want to die a free man or live as a second rate human your whole life? what says you deserve any less tha nthe man next to you? what says you deserve anything at all?

it's just like JK8's quote :

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
Golda Meir

who would want to live a life having not existed?

Yup, I'd rather my entire family be wiped out because they're "free". Unfortunately there is no freedom in living in fear, but you fail to understand that. Do you honestly believe people in the country are free? Free from fear and intimidation, free from poverty and hunger - life has not changed for millions of South Africa's poor.

 

[STS]

Same guy:



Yup, I'll take his writing very seriously from now on.

fine, don't take it seriously. did you miss the comments that the readers wrote to him, especially the serious boeremag? would you like me to quote them for you here, or would you like to go back and read them for yourself? good boy.

you get good people, you get bad people. good people and bad peopel don't change the facts, treating someone less than human is unfair. assuming others are all the same becoz of a few individuals in the group is unfair. i'm sure even you can agree with this. everyone is affected by crime, even the peopel who are not fighting over this

 

[STS]

Yup, I'd rather my entire family be wiped out because they're "free". Unfortunately there is no freedom in living in fear, but you fail to understand that. Do you honestly believe people in the country are free? Free from fear and intimidation, free from poverty and hunger - life has not changed for millions of South Africa's poor.

even during apartheid people lived in fear. people in Washington live in fear. people in south america live in fear. my friend in Canada that was almost kidnapped lives in fear. this is not just limited to South Africa, tho it doesn't make it any better. what i'm talking about is in south africa white people slept soundly while black people suffered from crime in their townships. do you think crime appeared overnight? crime is just more spread out now. still, it doesn't make it any better. did this trouble most people before 1990?

life has not changed for millions, but for many it has. if you disagree that black people can get better jobs and better living conditions today then i want to know why.

 

[STS]

So you dont believe in statistics or reports but you will believe a racist site called killallwhitey?

With beliefs like yours, no sane person would take your views seriously.

there is a disclaimer at the top of his site, i hoped you would have read it. how is it racist if the author is white himself? do you notice some of the names of the commenters on his sites too? do yo usee the racist posts people make?

i don't have beliefs, i'm neutral, i'm not taking a side. things in SA are bad, but they're not AS bad as people are making them out to be. i just hate biased views. saying the ANC causes crime has soooo many problems with it. does having a republican government cause crime? or a democracy?

 

[CyraxHB]

fine, don't take it seriously. did you miss the comments that the readers wrote to him, especially the serious boeremag? would you like me to quote them for you here, or would you like to go back and read them for yourself? good boy.

you get good people, you get bad people. good people and bad peopel don't change the facts, treating someone less than human is unfair. assuming others are all the same becoz of a few individuals in the group is unfair. i'm sure even you can agree with this. everyone is affected by crime, even the peopel who are not fighting over this

So you call people who disagree with the blog writers lies boermag?

As someone who has lived in a farming community for most of my life and has seen the crimes committed against friends and neighbours on farms, there is no doubt in my mind that that blog is just typical racist hate speech.