The Middle East Conflict Thread

[CyraxHB]

there is a disclaimer at the top of his site, i hoped you would have read it. how is it racist if the author is white himself? do you notice some of the names of the commenters on his sites too? do yo usee the racist posts people make?

i don't have beliefs, i'm neutral, i'm not taking a side. things in SA are bad, but they're not AS bad as people are making them out to be. i just hate biased views. saying the ANC causes crime has soooo many problems with it. does having a republican government cause crime? or a democracy?

So just because there is a disclaimer its ok for him to write complete bull****?

And obviously it is possible for a person from a certain race to write racist things against that same race.

 

[STS]

as someone who grew up in an afrikaans school with black kids alongside me and heard the attitude of some afrikaans kids towards them, i would say he is replying in the best way he can to people who think, i quote, "We/ you have lived in SA for a moer of a long time en ons weet die <b>k**ns</b> is baie brave en groot bek ne'"

people are welcome to disagree, that is what discussion is all about. but why do so many have to bring words like "liberal" and "k**n-lover" in comments?

 

[STS]

So just because there is a disclaimer its ok for him to write complete bull****?

And obviously it is possible for a person from a certain race to write racist things against that same race.

that is like being anti-christian when you are a christian. it just means you're critical of the flaws and shortcomings. i don't see anyone else writing disclaimers when they write complete bullcrap here. he is against a predominate attitude of white people, his own race.

anyway, why are we discussing this? this is about the middle east. let's please avoid this

 

[marine1]

Oh shut up!

RPB'd again.

 

[marine1]

You pro terrorist guys need to go watch a movie "An American Carol."

 

[daveza]

Am I the only one who finds the temporary cease-fires a bit surreal ?

" Ok, we are going to stop bombing you for three hours and send in some meds and stuff so you can patch yourselves up then we are going to start bombing the sh^t out of you again "

PR gone mad.

 

[STS]

you anti-terrorist guys need to read more real life

"The film has been described as a box office flop.[11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Carol

no thanks, i'll save R20

 

[marine1]

You have R20?

 

[STS]

that is all i have
but if it comes down to between that and the Celine Dion DVD, i'd probably rent that *dodgy glances*

 

[marine1]

 

[Moederloos]

they're doing the same thing with "farm murders" in south africa. stabbed in an alley and you're white? farm murder. hijacked and on your way to work in Joburg? farm murder. it's the same anywhere, people always use statistics for their own purpose

bwahahaha

most ludicrous posting I have read yet, and I have read some doozies on this site.

 

[marine1]

bwahahaha

most ludicrous posting I have read yet, and I have read some doozies on this site.

I wonder what his old nick was.
Couldnt agree more.

 

[STS]

old nick? assuming i ran away?

i'm glad Moederloos agrees that the farm murders are greatly exaggerated and that there is no white genocide

 

[BBSA]

Can we get back to the Middle East Conflict?

 

[Alan]

Can we get back to the Middle East Conflict?

That was like so yesterday......

 

[daveza]

Battle fatigue sets in.

 

[adamr]

ok lets have a 3hour recovery session then we can start arguing again. No one argues in this 3 hours . . . Ok? Lol . . . Just kidding.

 

[LazyLion]

just go back and repost some of the previous arguments again... we've done that several times already on both sides!

 

[daveza]

I'll stoke the fire with two articles - again there will be those who agree and disagree but thought provoking anyway:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/10/naomi-klein-boycott-israel

It's time. Long past time. The best strategy to end the increasingly bloody occupation is for Israel to become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to apartheid in South Africa. In July 2005 a huge coalition of Palestinian groups laid out plans to do just that. They called on "people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era". The campaign Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions was born.

Every day that Israel pounds Gaza brings more converts to the BDS cause - even among Israeli Jews. In the midst of the assault roughly 500 Israelis, dozens of them well-known artists and scholars, sent a letter to foreign ambassadors in Israel. It calls for "the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions" and draws a clear parallel with the anti-apartheid struggle. "The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves ... This international backing must stop."

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-01-10-children-being-drawn-into-martyr-cult

The image of Mohammed al-Dura, the 12-year-old Gaza boy shot dead as his father vainly tried to protect him from Israeli gunfire at the beginning of the second intifada, is seared on the Palestinian consciousness. To many Palestinian adults it symbolises Israeli indifference to the lives of their children. But psychologists say that to many children its principal impact is to see a father who cannot protect his son.

With that - and humiliations such as Israeli soldiers beating Palestinian men in front of their children - has come a collapse in respect for the regular systems of authority.

The perpetual killing has also drawn many children into the cult of the "martyr" and led them to expect an early death.

Thabet said the traumatising of children was having a profound effect on Gaza's future. The children he studied in the early 1990s are now adults. "They become fighters. I warned about this 15 years ago, that in 15 years these traumatised children will be more aggressive, they will want to fight, there will be more violence in the community. You saw it in the factional fighting in Gaza in 2007," he said.

"So now we will have another generation of more aggressive behaviour. They will go to more extremes because they have no future. This is a problem. I've been warning people of this but nobody was listening. It's a cycle of aggression.

"Children see their parents killed in front of them. What do you expect?" -- © Guardian News & Media 2009

 

[Necuno]

I'll stoke the fire with two articles - again there will be those who agree and disagree but thought provoking anyway:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/10/naomi-klein-boycott-israel

It's time. Long past time. The best strategy to end the increasingly bloody occupation is for Israel to become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to apartheid in South Africa. In July 2005 a huge coalition of Palestinian groups laid out plans to do just that. They called on "people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era". The campaign Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions was born.

Every day that Israel pounds Gaza brings more converts to the BDS cause - even among Israeli Jews. In the midst of the assault roughly 500 Israelis, dozens of them well-known artists and scholars, sent a letter to foreign ambassadors in Israel. It calls for "the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions" and draws a clear parallel with the anti-apartheid struggle. "The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves ... This international backing must stop."

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-01-10-children-being-drawn-into-martyr-cult

The image of Mohammed al-Dura, the 12-year-old Gaza boy shot dead as his father vainly tried to protect him from Israeli gunfire at the beginning of the second intifada, is seared on the Palestinian consciousness. To many Palestinian adults it symbolises Israeli indifference to the lives of their children. But psychologists say that to many children its principal impact is to see a father who cannot protect his son.

With that - and humiliations such as Israeli soldiers beating Palestinian men in front of their children - has come a collapse in respect for the regular systems of authority.

The perpetual killing has also drawn many children into the cult of the "martyr" and led them to expect an early death.

Thabet said the traumatising of children was having a profound effect on Gaza's future. The children he studied in the early 1990s are now adults. "They become fighters. I warned about this 15 years ago, that in 15 years these traumatised children will be more aggressive, they will want to fight, there will be more violence in the community. You saw it in the factional fighting in Gaza in 2007," he said.

"So now we will have another generation of more aggressive behaviour. They will go to more extremes because they have no future. This is a problem. I've been warning people of this but nobody was listening. It's a cycle of aggression.

"Children see their parents killed in front of them. What do you expect?" -- © Guardian News & Media 2009

with that let me re-add. This does sum up some of it nicely.
http://www.mg.co.za/cartoons/090109zapirobig1.jpg