The Middle East Conflict Thread

Post are having to be edited/removed - I realise it is a heated topic but please refrain from personal attacks as these may well result in warnings/infractions/temp banning (our pick not yours ;)).
 
aperio said:
Shame Brilliantt. Don't you think you should get another username?

What I am saying here, loud and clear, is that the real terrorists are the Israelis. They are occupying other people's land and waging a war on civilians with American money.
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I see that I have made you bitter. Prepare for more of that, because I will not let any nonsense go unchallenged. For your information, this is about rockets: According to you it is fine if Hamas fires rockets at Israeli civilians, but it is murder if Israel retaliates. And I have been saying the same thing the whole time - I disagree with you totally!

Now, you have failed to sell your point of view rationally, preferring instead, to refer people to some external links with videos. I personally refuse to watch any video right now! What do you want me to see? some mangled human flesh? Sorry, not interested!

I happen to know what a rocket does - It blows everything in its path into bits. If it hits people, it blows them into bits too. I don't need to watch a video to know that.

Again, the point is: Is it okay for Hamas to blow Israelis up and wrong for Israel to retaliate? If your answer is Yes, then you need your head examined.

With regard to my username, I have noted your suggestion, but I will pass. Thank you!
 
Sackboy said:
Way after Christianity even. 600 YEARS AFTER CHRISTIANITY.

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Well Christianity had to start after Judaism as the Christians see Christ as the Jewish Messiah. However, what has religion to do with this?

It's more of a war between two people of different ethnicities, cultures ok and religions but many Jews in Israel are atheist and many Muslims aren't that 'devout'.
 
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2446412,00.html

Gaza attacks like war
crimes - Tutu
28/12/2008 14:05 - (SA)

Johannesburg - Israel's bombardment of Gaza "bears all the hallmarks of war crimes", Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu said in a statement on Sunday.

"In the context of total aerial supremacy, in which one side in a conflict deploys lethal aircraft against opponents with no means of defending themselves, the bombardment bears all the hallmarks of war crimes."

The attacks, in retaliation for rockets fired by the Palestinians, would not contribute to the security of Israel, he said.

"It is a blight not only on the Middle East, but on the entire world - and particularly world leaders who have consistently failed the people of Palestine and Israel over the past 60 years."
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Indeed. All this latest show of strength will do is create more extremist converts, more suicide bombers and more death on both sides.
 
PeterCH said:
Well Christianity had to start after Judaism as the Christians see Christ as the Jewish Messiah. However, what has religion to do with this?

It's more of a war between two people of different ethnicities, cultures ok and religions but many Jews in Israel are atheist and many Muslims aren't that 'devout'.
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I was answering Marine's question.
You're starting a new topic here. If you knew any Muslims or Jews, you would know that their beliefs are so intertwined with their cultures that they are impossible to separate. How many Israeli Jews are atheists, and does that influence their opinion on Palestinian aims? I doubt it.
 
Sackboy said:
I was answering Marine's question.
You're starting a new topic here. If you knew any Muslims or Jews, you would know that their beliefs are so intertwined with their cultures that they are impossible to separate. How many Israeli Jews are atheists, and does that influence their opinion on Palestinian aims? I doubt it.
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I know a good few atheist Jews and some religious ones. However, I believe the orthodox Jews are a minority in Israel.

Seeing religion as part of culture is correct but I don't believe the reasons for this continous war are religious.
 
daveza said:
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2446412,00.html

Indeed. All this latest show of strength will do is create more extremist converts, more suicide bombers and more death on both sides.
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And while our loved ones are threatened by these dastardly terrorists we will keep pursuing them.

The extremists are being coached in all areas of the globe, so inaction will not mean that there will be a decline in extremist converts - disgusting @ssholes like Abu Hamza were recruiting them in the UK, until he got jailed.
Do you think that they shouldn't have jailed him because it wouldn't go down well with his congregation?
 
PeterCH said:
I know a good few atheist Jews and some religious ones. However, I believe the orthodox Jews are a minority in Israel.

Seeing religion as part of culture is correct but I don't believe the reasons for this continous war are religious.
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http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/howrelisr.htm

The secular Jews only number 20%. Most are of the traditional variety.
 
daveza said:
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2446412,00.html

Indeed. All this latest show of strength will do is create more extremist converts, more suicide bombers and more death on both sides.
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The terrorists have proved long time ago that they don't need any excuse or reason to bomb the stuffing out of people they hate. They are fueled simply by their own racism and bitter violent hatred.

Remember that there WAS a ceasefire... that was how all of this started. A ceasefire that the Israelis asked for. But Hamas could not stop the rockets. So Israel called off the ceasefire.

You just need to get it into your head that these terrorists will kill, maim, bomb, shoot, stab anytime and anywhere they can. They will not stop until they have eliminated their hated and sworn enemy, the Jewish race... then they will turn on themselves until they have all been obliterated.

The suicide bombers never let up, the training never stops. They drill it into the heads of their children and sware it over their meal tables. They thrive on it. It is their life's and death's mission. Their is no reasoning or negotiating with them. They have sworn that Israel must cease to exist and must be wiped off the face off the face of the earth.

If you think that is rational, then I guess you must have the same kind of wiring in your brain as them.
 
Garyvdh said:
The terrorists have proved long time ago that they don't need any excuse or reason to bomb the stuffing out of people they hate. They are fueled simply by their own racism and bitter violent hatred.

Remember that there WAS a ceasefire... that was how all of this started. A ceasefire that the Israelis asked for. But Hamas could not stop the rockets. So Israel called off the ceasefire.

You just need to get it into your head that these terrorists will kill, maim, bomb, shoot, stab anytime and anywhere they can. They will not stop until they have eliminated their hated and sworn enemy, the Jewish race... then they will turn on themselves until they have all been obliterated.

The suicide bombers never let up, the training never stops. They drill it into the heads of their children and sware it over their meal tables. They thrive on it. It is their life's and death's mission. Their is no reasoning or negotiating with them. They have sworn that Israel must cease to exist and must be wiped off the face off the face of the earth.

If you think that is rational, then I guess you must have the same kind of wiring in your brain as them.
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Tinfoil hat time I see. :rolleyes:
 
The archbishop is right on this one in my opinion.This bears the hallmark of war crimes.A Palestinian Holocaust.
 
Garyvdh said:
If you think that will protect you from rockets and bombs :rolleyes:
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Ask yourself a simple question.... when did the rise of Modern Islamic terrorism/extremism begin?

Ironically after the state of Israel was founded, not only that but the the first terrorists of the 20th century in that region were not Muslims but Jews.(before your time so it will be difficult to comprehend)

Lehi was described as a terrorist organization[4] by the British authorities and United Nations mediator Ralph Bunche.[5] Lehi carried out the Nov 1944 assassination in Cairo of Lord Moyne along with other attacks on the British authorities and Palestinian Arabs. The newly-formed Israeli government banned the organization under an anti-terrorism law passed three days after the Sept 1948 assassination of the UN mediator Folke Bernadotte.[6]
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Also many people delude themselves into thinking that the state of Israel was founded in reaction to the holocaust... not true. The plan for a Jewish state began after the fall of the Ottoman empire, the British who controlled Palestine were meant to give land to the Jews(Balfour and the Rothschilds) but they took too long so fundamentalist Jews used terrorism and succeeded.
Proof?...
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated 2 November 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government stating that the British government "view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" with the understanding that "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." [1]

The declaration was made in a letter from Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Lord Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation, a private Zionist organization. The letter reflected the position of the British Cabinet, as agreed upon in a meeting on 31 October 1917. It further stated that the declaration is a sign of "sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations."
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In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in "evacuating"[vague] the Jews of Europe, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig. Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.
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*sigh* only the religious can cause such mayhem.
 
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Islamic terrorism/extremism has been here for many centuries. Go read your history.

.. but here is one example for you...

According to one source, although Islamic terrorism, at least in the form of suicide attacks - dates back to the Hashshashin sect of the 11th century, "its modern history begins with statements made by Sheik Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah", the spiritual leader of Hezbollah, who said in an interview published in 1983:
“ We believe that the future has surprises in store. The jihad is bitter and harsh, it will spring from inside, through effort, patience and sacrifice, and the spirit of readiness for martyrdom.[13] ”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism
 
During his years in power, the prophet engaged in an average of nine military campaigns a year, or one every five to six weeks; thus did jihad help define Islam from its very dawn. Conquering and humiliating non-Muslims was a main feature of the prophet's jihad.

During the first several centuries of Islam, "the interpretation of jihad was unabashedly aggressive and expansive." After the conquests subsided, non-Muslims hardly threatened and Sufi notions of jihad as self-improvement developed in complement to the martial meaning.
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http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2664

While all forms of religious fanaticism are negative, only Islam raises slaughter and subjugation of all Kafirs (non-Muslims) to a holy creed; it teaches Muslims to gloat over the killing of non-Muslims and to celebrate their deaths. Hence Islam is the most demented and dangerous form of religious fanaticism in existence today. And it is not Islamic fanaticism that is to be blamed for this, as Islam itself is fanaticism.
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From its roots to its fruits, Islam is one of the most violent and virulent forms of the delusion (that a god exists) in that all those who do not accept this brand of fantasizing of the unknown have to be slaughtered and subjugated.
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http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/History_of_Jihad
 
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