The Middle East Conflict Thread

[BBSA]

That agreement was only benefiting Israel!
Was no good to the Palestinian people.

The Palestinian people agreed to it.

 

[nivek]

JK8 how many women and children have been killed by muslims in terrorist attacks in Iraq, in the past year?

 

[Xarog]

They will not negotiate with a group which call for the distraction of Israel.

Then they abandoned the roadmap, and Israel refuses to make any offer that would lead to a viable Palestinian state. QED.

So do you say Egypt does not control the border crossing?

No, I say that Egypt pretty much looks like an Israeli puppet at this point.

 

[JK8]

The Palestinian people agreed to it.

And then the very next day they vote Hamas into power... ?

JK8 how many women and children have been killed by muslims in terrorist attacks in Iraq, in the past year?

Im not sure but ill be surprised if 200+ were killed in 4days like in Gaza during Isreals ground assault.

 

[nivek]

And then the very next day they vote Hamas into power... ?



Im not sure but ill be surprised if 200+ were killed in 4days like in Gaza during Isreals ground assault.

Exactly my point, no one gives a F*** about them, no muslim cleric has said anything, no one has gone on radio, no one has protested, no one has said a word.. because "its ok as long as we doing the killing"

its alot more than 200..

 

[BBSA]

Then they abandoned the roadmap, and Israel refuses to make any offer that would lead to a viable Palestinian state. QED..

They did nothing of the sorts.

No, I say that Egypt pretty much looks like an Israeli puppet at this point.

Do you atleast conseed that you were wrong and that Egypt does control the Rafah border crossing?

 

[adamr]

what an excellent post by lonegunman! Thanks necuno for highlighting it! Ps those pro israel supporters that hate seeing those innocent people killed in palestine, are you going to send any form of aid to the palestinian people? Seeing how according to many they living under the oppression of hamas

 

[Necuno]

And then the very next day they vote Hamas into power... ?

Like anc was voted in south africa ?; ever thought why ?

Terrorism and violence
During its days in exile, the ANC was often criticised by western governments who shared the South African government's characterization of the group as a terrorist organization. Several high-profile anti-Apartheid activists such as Archbishop Desmond Tutu criticized the ANC for its willingness to resort to violence, arguing that tactics of non-violent resistance, such as civil disobedience were more productive. The ANC's willingness to ally with Communists was also the subject of both foreign and domestic criticism. A Pentagon report of the late 1980s described the ANC as "a major terrorist organization". Several hardline black nationalists were also critical of the ANC's willingness to embrace whites as equals, even allowing them to serve on the group's executive committee.

wiki

they were no angels, but they were born out of oppression and placed into power as such.

 

[BBSA]

And then the very next day they vote Hamas into power... ?

And shoot thousand of Rockets at Israel. How did that helped them?

 

[nivek]

what an excellent post by lonegunman! Thanks necuno for highlighting it! Ps those pro israel supporters that hate seeing those innocent people killed in palestine, are you going to send any form of aid to the palestinian people? Seeing how according to many they living under the oppression of hamas

no
id rather give donations in SA

 

[d0b33]

JK8 how many women and children have been killed by muslims in terrorist attacks in Iraq, in the past year?

How many were killed before the Iraq war? oh... none
But this is not relevant.

 

[Xarog]

They did nothing of the sorts.

You just claimed that they refused to negotiate any further. Thus, they did exactly that.

Do you atleast conseed that you were wrong and that Egypt does control the Rafah border crossing?

I tell you what : When I see that you are willing to debate the matter instead of playing the point-scoring game, I will answer this question. There are numerous responses I have made to your posts which you have just flat-out ignored.

 

[JK8]

Exactly my point, no one gives a F*** about them, no muslim cleric has said anything, no one has gone on radio, no one has protested, no one has said a word.. because "its ok as long as we doing the killing"

its alot more than 200..

Im not sure where you get your info from, but as a Muslim we are aware of the killings of Muslims around the world.
Just because your news doesnt cover it and has taken preference to the Gaza conflict doesnt mean we or the world doesnt care!

200 every 4 days? Highly doubt it.

 

[Xarog]

Exactly my point, no one gives a F*** about them, no muslim cleric has said anything, no one has gone on radio, no one has protested, no one has said a word.. because "its ok as long as we doing the killing"

its alot more than 200..

Well maybe you can point out a case where anyone (from the outside) has supported it, as the bombardment of gaza has been supported?

 

[JK8]

And shoot thousand of Rockets at Israel. How did that helped them?

They obviously didnt agree fully with israels proposal, you expect them to suck it in and keep quiet?
Its very noble for an oppressed people to remain calm, its also very rare.

 

[Necuno]

i've posted this before, but for those who are interisted and missed it:

Religious leaders talk about the prospects for peace in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
Redi invited the Chief Rabbi Warren Goldstein and the Moulana Ebrahim Bham not to resolve the crisis in the Middle East or to draw conclusions on who is right or wrong in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The hope of the show was to explore the question of what needs to be done for the foundations of peace to be built

...

link to the podcast:
http://www.pod702.co.za/podcast/bestofredi/20090108BESTREDIB.mp3

 

[JK8]

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

I can imagine their "peace treaty" was fair

 

[BBSA]

You just claimed that they refused to negotiate any further. Thus, they did exactly that.

They are still prepared to talk the palestinians, just not a terrorist group.

I tell you what : When I see that you are willing to debate the matter instead of playing the point-scoring game, I will answer this question. There are numerous responses I have made to your posts which you have just flat-out ignored.

You were wrong about the Rafah Border Crossing, what is there to debate?

 

[BBSA]

They obviously didnt agree fully with israels proposal

They should have cone back to the negation table!

BTW. It was not a Israeli proposal.

 

[Alan]

No, I say that Egypt pretty much looks like an Israeli puppet at this point.

ROFL tinfoil hat time people

Exactly my point, no one gives a F*** about them, no muslim cleric has said anything, no one has gone on radio, no one has protested, no one has said a word.. because "its ok as long as we doing the killing"

its alot more than 200..

Amazing that. All those protests in the U.K were against the West's actions in Iraq but absolutely nothing about the mass slaughter carried out against innocent Iraqis by Baathits, Shia extremists and Al Qaeda.

Reminds me of an article I read( posted it here a while ago) how the left would stage anti nuclear protests in Europe during the cold war that were always aimed the U.S and U.K but never the Soviet Union

Do you atleast conseed that you were wrong and that Egypt does control the Rafah border crossing?

Good luck with that. IIRC He once claimed Mohammad Baradei said something and I found a direct quote from the guy himself saying the exact opposite and he still wouldn't admit he was wrong lol