The Middle East Conflict Thread

Garyvdh said:
no, sarcasm is when I answer your stupid comment about America and Israel being the same with a comment about their geographical locations. :rolleyes:

you make your posts on a public message board ... they are fair game for me to make fun of. :p
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I know, but you said Israel and America are miles apart and therefore have no relation. unless i understood wrong,
 
Garyvdh said:
my guess is the Israelis are "unhapy" about Hamas launching rockets at them..... but that is just a hunch... what do I know... uninformed as I am :rolleyes:
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Ja, I could see how that would make someone a tad grumpy, but why would Hamas launch rockets?

Is it logical that these guys are just insane? or is it more logical that they are acting out of anger at things that has been done to them.

Anyway its not important, I believe there are two sort of emotions, connecting or disconnecting,

I think as a group both groups practice Anger, Revenge, Resentment rather than forgiveness, love and appreciating the other group as human. Ill stop short of breaking into Kumbahaa.

I draw your attention again S.A and the spirit of forgiveness.

These people are collectively insane, all this killing and **** that’s seen as acceptable, attaching the word war to this insanity does not do it for me.
 
Loop... said:
Is it logical that these guys are just insane?
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that's my best guess... anyone who would strap dynamite to his belly and walk in among a crowd of innocent people and detonate it so that he himself and many of them are blown to shreds gets my award for being off the looney scale! :mad:
 
I will only agree that that’s crazy if you agree that Israel dropping bombs in residential areas is just as crazy.
 
Loop... said:
I will only agree that that’s crazy if you agree that Israel dropping bombs in residential areas is just as crazy.
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You can call what you like, but I'm sure the Pallies know how to avoid it (stop the rockets), but they are grappling with indoctrination from childhood that Israel and Jews are the most evil on the earth and need to annihilate them.
 
Loop... said:
What do you know about Hamas and Fattah besides what American media has spoon fed you? You are blind if you don’t realise that America & Israel are the same thing.

On your point about Zimbabwe, don’t be ridiculous its more like the freedom in S.A after liberation. Zimbabwe is f****d because Mugabe is a twat, not because the country was freed from racial discrimination you IMPERIALST.

Educate yourself on what has been done to places Like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine and ask yourself what you would do.
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How do you explain Hamas and PLO's own constitutions/founding documents, which basically state that Israel should be wiped from the map?

Did the US draft those too?
 
Loop... said:
Now you are just being an a-hole.
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I'm sorry you find the truth distasteful, such that you resort to personal insults.

Ive said in the previous post that Palestine is not A state but they are a Nation.
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Palestine is a area in the middle east which used to be part of the Ottoman empire. Part of the area is, in accordance with international resolutions now the State of Israel.

There has never been any Palestinian state, and hence no Palestinian nation.

One might argue that those Palestinians who do not hold Israelie citizenship are the Last Ottomans, or perhaps Jordanians, or perhaps Egyptians.

Despite UN resolutions encouraging the formation of a peaceful Palestinian state, despite the encouragment of successive US presidents and repeated overtures & concessions from Israelie governments over the years, they seem more interested in performing acts of terrorism against Israelie civilians.

Do you not realise that these are people you a talking about, what is wrong with you?
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People who train their children with cartoons and religious proproganda to attack and terrorise civilians of a legally constituted democracy.

People who use woman and children as human shields.

People who murder without due process people who are merely suspected of being informants, and who prohibit economic activities based on religion.

I personally don't think there's anything wrong with being informed. Your opinion may differ of course....
 
Loop... said:
Hi I'd like to add, that I appreciate the discussion on here bar the blatant racist and inhuman statements like such as, they are squatters etc. not cool. That is madness.
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And what is racist or inhuman about the term "squatter"?

"Squatter" implies that people occupy an area without a legal right.

If you want to discuss the legal rights of the Palestinians lets do so by all means. Lets specifically discuss it in relationship to the term "Peaceful"

Lets also try it without your evocative propoganda type language, it's not cool etc.
 
Loop... said:
Ja, I could see how that would make someone a tad grumpy, but why would Hamas launch rockets?
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Something about their founding documents, constitution calling for the destruction of the State of Israel.....there might be something there...

Is it logical that these guys are just insane? or is it more logical that they are acting out of anger at things that has been done to them.
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Perhaps if they stopped lobbing rockets things wouldn't get done to them?

I think as a group both groups practice Anger, Revenge, Resentment rather than forgiveness, love and appreciating the other group as human. Ill stop short of breaking into Kumbahaa.
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Perhaps the distinction between unfortunate collateral damage and specifically targeted civilians could be drawn?
 
Dominic Rooney said:
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2446478,00.html
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"They (Israelis) should become targets. Their blood should be shed as the blood of our brothers in Palestine has been shed," he said.
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Interesting attitude. It's their "brothers" when Palestinians are dying, but they want nothing to do with them if they're flying jets into the Twin Towers. Then they are just fanatics who happen to be Muslims.:rolleyes: and we shouldn't treat other Muslims with suspicion.
 
Sackboy said:


Interesting attitude. It's their "brothers" when Palestinians are dying, but they want nothing to do with them if they're flying jets into the Twin Towers. Then they are just fanatics who happen to be Muslims.:rolleyes: and we shouldn't treat other Muslims with suspicion.
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Well now that the Russians are selling SAMs to Iranians and Syrians we hope that those won't get used for any nasty purposes.
 
So you saying, if they want.. they can pack up their bags and go live in Israel with whatever religious customs and freedoms Jewish people in Israel have?

Because thats what this last 60yrs has been about, heck look at the current Israeli's and see what % actually came from the region pre-1948.I am willing to bet that its less than 5% of their current population.
 
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