The Middle East Conflict Thread

Loop... said:
What do you know about Hamas and Fattah besides what American media has spoon fed you?
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America and almost every other nation on earth.


You are blind if you don’t realise that America & Israel are the same thing.
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Yes modern moderate democracies


On your point about Zimbabwe, don’t be ridiculous its more like the freedom in S.A after liberation. Zimbabwe is f****d because Mugabe is a twat, not because the country was freed from racial discrimination you IMPERIALST.
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The S.A that has had more than 250 000 innocent citizens murdered since then. How many innocent Palestinians have been killed by Israel in the last 15 years?

Educate yourself on what has been done to places Like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine and ask yourself what you would do.
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Have tyrannical oppressive regimes removed. If I was a Palestinian I'd be hoping somebody comes in and removes Hamas and Fatah as well thanks
 
brilliantt said:
It is funny, but we may be in agreement, except for which came first: the hen or the egg. I don't want to waste time arguing about that.

What I am saying is: Let us be fair. If it okay for Hamas to rain rockets into Israel, let us say it is okay for Israel to rain rockets into Hamas territory. But what is happening is that some people want us to pretend to be outraged when Israel fires rockets, while staying mum when Hamas does likewise.

To take it a step further, maybe an all-out war is the solution: Winner takes all.
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How can you have a war when whenever an Arabic person uses military force they are either a terrorist or the other LUAGHABLE one Insurgence>> People fighting American soldiers in their own country are called insurgence WTF?
 
Garyvdh said:
Riiiight!... [wait... I thought you said there were no sources???]
.... Now how about that Hasmonean Kingdom?
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This is good, you got something(not enough) with Hasmonean historicity.

The size of the state is still questionable, and remember the Canaanites and Jews shared the same culture and language(Hebrew)
 
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Alan said:
America and almost every other nation on earth.




Yes modern moderate democracies




The S.A that has had more than 250 000 innocent citizens murdered since then. How many innocent Palestinians have been killed by Israel in the last 15 years?



Have tyrannical oppressive regimes removed. If I was a Palestinian I'd be hoping somebody comes in and removes Hamas and Fatah as well thanks
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We all now U.S news is world news, c'mon they agenda is number 1.

U.S and Israel moderate? I cant waste time on that comment? What!?

And if yout claiming S.A was better off during apartheid, you are not the type of person a would even waste time talking to.

The same way Saddam was removed? how did that help? They are talking about a 100 year civil war now? Don’t be dum.

And how do quantify what a tyrannical regime is? The most tyrannical regimes is that of U.S and Israel.
 
Loop... said:
How can you have a war when whenever an Arabic person uses military force they are either a terrorist or the other LUAGHABLE one Insurgence>> People fighting American soldiers in their own country are called insurgence WTF?
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I don't recall anybody calling Iraq and Afghanistan government forces and police terrorist. Anybody who fights against a country's government or it's allies is an insurgent

Insurgence

an organized rebellion aimed at overthrowing a constituted government through the use of subversion and armed conflict

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Insurgence
 
aperio said:
We have seen more than 200 people die in the unholy Israel terrorist attack against the people of Palestine during the past couple of days. But for those of us with short memories: this was by now means the first act of terrorism by the Israelis this year.

Watch the videos Read the blogs. And decide how much longer you are going to do nothing about a terrorist state running amok.

Israeli terrorism
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Funny thing is, the muji camel herders seen being picked apart in this video also call US troops "terrorists", yet they have no problem using civilian villages and towns as cover.
 
Loop... said:
How can you have a war when whenever an Arabic person uses military force they are either a terrorist or the other LUAGHABLE one Insurgence>> People fighting American soldiers in their own country are called insurgence WTF?
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Iraq - more like Iraqi religious factions fighting each other these days. :rolleyes:
You know, the peaceful ones !
 
Alan said:
I don't recall anybody calling Iraq and Afghanistan government forces and police terrorist. Anybody who fights against a country's government or it's allies is an insurgent

Insurgence

an organized rebellion aimed at overthrowing a constituted government through the use of subversion and armed conflict

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Insurgence
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First of all Iraq and Afghanistan government forces are marionettes for the U.S government, They do not fight back against the U.S the fore there is never the opportunity to call them terrorists.

Alan said:
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an organized rebellion aimed at overthrowing a constituted government through the use of subversion and armed conflict
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With this definition you have just proved my point, nobody knows why the U.S went into Iraq, they went in there killed so many people ruined infrastructure to remove one man?

They then placed their own people in power, the people who fought this brutal invasion where all called insurgence even when the U.S puppets where not even in power yet,

And how does fighting an invading army "constitute overthrowing a constituted government"
 
Loop... said:
We all now U.S news is world news, c'mon they agenda is number 1.
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If you into tin foil hats

U.S and Israel moderate? I cant waste time on that comment? What!?
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To have an open democracy you'd need to be moderate


And if yout claiming S.A was better off during apartheid, you are not the type of person a would even waste time talking to.
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You said it would be like S.A after liberation. Well that's S.A after liberation. Is that what you want for Palestine :sick:

The same way Saddam was removed? how did that help? They are talking about a 100 year civil war now? Don’t be dum.
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Oh please the civil war barely lasted two years. Violence has plummeted. Notice it only happened after more U.S troops arrived. How's that then? So you'd rather have Baathists in power and sanctions killing 100 000s of innocent Iraqis. Anything just as long as it's not western infidels

And how do quantify what a tyrannical regime is? The most tyrannical regimes is that of U.S and Israel.
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ROFL

:D
 
Frankie said:
Iraq - more like Iraqi religious factions fighting each other these days. :rolleyes:
You know, the peaceful ones !
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That’s their own ding, I never said they were peaceful no group of people are peaceful or evil entirely all this is not an action movie, and although i personally any fighting with the attempt to kill is madness, civil war is a different kettle of fish,

They weird thing is though that the fighting only really started going after the U.S got involved. And everyone even Iraqi's agreed Saddam should be removed, an external force could never do this, otherwise this happens the infighting and confusion there is now.

America backs on of the peoples tho, and supplies them with weapons.
 
JHatman said:
Hehe somebody had a sense of humour putting this vid together :D
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I was wondering - pine trees? Then a church?

That ain't Afghanistan or Iraq. Plus it looked fake. Just guys running all over the place and the gunship firing on them at random. I hope the real US
army/marines aren't that bad. :)
 
Loop... said:
That’s their own ding, I never said they were peaceful no group of people are peaceful or evil entirely all this is not an action movie, and although i personally any fighting with the attempt to kill is madness, civil war is a different kettle of fish,

They weird thing is though that the fighting only really started going after the U.S got involved. And everyone even Iraqi's agreed Saddam should be removed, an external force could never do this, otherwise this happens the infighting and confusion there is now.

America backs on of the peoples tho, and supplies them with weapons.
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:confused:

Dude, you need to take more breaths between your typing spurts! :D
 
Loop... said:
That’s their own ding, I never said they were peaceful no group of people are peaceful or evil entirely all this is not an action movie, and although i personally any fighting with the attempt to kill is madness, civil war is a different kettle of fish,

They weird thing is though that the fighting only really started going after the U.S got involved. And everyone even Iraqi's agreed Saddam should be removed, an external force could never do this, otherwise this happens the infighting and confusion there is now.

America backs on of the peoples tho, and supplies them with weapons.
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Arguably if Saddam was willing to co-operate with the West he could have stayed in power forever. Pity about those Kurds though.
 
Garyvdh said:
um, actually they are on opposite sides of the planet.... but its OK... we already knew we were not dealing with the smartest cookie in the basket here. :rolleyes:
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I’m probably more informed then you, the U.S and Israel share the same interest, always agree on policies and they also share weapons. Everybody knows this,

I also can’t believe you question the international relationship between the U.S and Israel based on geography, that shows how much you know buddy.
 
Loop... said:
They weird thing is though that the fighting only really started going after the U.S got involved. And everyone even Iraqi's agreed Saddam should be removed, an external force could never do this, otherwise this happens the infighting and confusion there is now.
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So did you expect them just to give in and it be a cakewalk
 
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