The Middle East Conflict Thread

daveza said:
And Merry Christmas to you too Marine1 ;)

Those of you / us who side with the israelis - what do you believe is the solution to the israeli/palestinian problem ?

One that will actually solve the problem, and that the world will support ?

This constant tit-for-tat will get nowhere so what is your answer ?
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Palestinians should accept and move on (maybe also try to stick to negotiated outcomes). Unfortunately we all know that you cannot negotiate with terrorists.
 
*sigh*

As always the guys sending 14 year olds to blow up buses, dress their toddlers in suicide vests while dipping their hands in red paint and having them march around in plays chanting death and destruction, have kids T.V shows encouraging violence( even torturing animals) and embezzle all the aid for their people into their back pockets are reasonable people driven to these extremes because they're "victims" blah blah blah.

Remember the days when mad Bab and Zuma were brave reasonable "freedom fighters"? Negotiating worked fine with them didn't it :rolleyes:
 
If one has a smidgen of humanity then politics aside, bombing civilians is just indefensible.

America did it in Japan, Germany, England did it - under a declaration of war.

There is no declaration of war in Israel because then they would need to operate under the rules of war - one being

The law of war places limits on the exercise of a belligerent’s power mentioned under Purposes and requires that belligerents refrain from employing any kind or degree of violence which is not actually necessary for military purposes and that they conduct hostilities with regard for the principles of humanity and chivalry.
 
Just out of interest dave. What kind of society would you prefer to live under. Democracy(Israel), Extreme religious fundamentalism (Hamas) or despotism (FATAH)
 
Time to chill at the beach but something to talk about -

Some jewish folk get killed in India and Israel erupts at the utter barbarism.

Then they launch 100 missiles into a civilian area ?

How can anyone possible find an iota of reason here or wonder for a second why the world loses sympathy with Israel ?
 
daveza said:
The majority of South Africans also voted for a terrorist group.

Does this give the Boeremag the right to bomb them ?
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If they keep firing rockets into a neighbouring state as an act of war... then yes... by all means.
 
daveza said:
If one has a smidgen of humanity then politics aside, bombing civilians is just indefensible.

America did it in Japan, Germany, England did it - under a declaration of war.

There is no declaration of war in Israel because then they would need to operate under the rules of war - one being

The law of war places limits on the exercise of a belligerent’s power mentioned under Purposes and requires that belligerents refrain from employing any kind or degree of violence which is not actually necessary for military purposes and that they conduct hostilities with regard for the principles of humanity and chivalry.
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And the terrorist pallies and other arabs are going to abide by these laws and ceases their hostilities ? - they have shown us that their ideology insists they do what it takes (homicide bombing of civilians), not using uniforms but rather dressing like the civilians amongst whom they launch attacks, using them as human shields.
 
noxibox said:
And quite rightly you'd be arrested. Knowing your likely behaviour I might want to deny you access because I could see in advance you were going to be an aggressive and dangerous neighbour. So I would want to throw you out of your house.
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bring it... we'll see who lasts longest.

Israel bombed the Egyptian MIGs while they were still on the ground cos the stupid Arabs hadn't learned how to maintain them or fly them in Ten years! :D

They Kicked their asses... just like I would kick yours if you set foot on my land or threatened my family (seeing you want to make this personal).
 
World loses sympathy :confused: Who's this "world" you talk of and why the hell should Israel give a **** what they think when they're taking the measure they think are necessary to protect themselves
 
Democracy ...

Zimbabwe is a democracy, the US is a democracy even though it's not the party with the most votes that wins.

Apartheid South Africa was a democracy. Do I want that kind of democracy -no.

If I had to choose over an oppressive democracy or a benign despot I would choose the latter.
 
Frankie said:
I think the SA terrorist group that you're referring to renounced terrorism , which cant be said for the pallies.
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Exactly... but some people can't see past their own noses and Admire those terrorists for their "courage"
 
daveza said:
If one has a smidgen of humanity then politics aside, bombing civilians is just indefensible.

America did it in Japan, Germany, England did it - under a declaration of war.

There is no declaration of war in Israel because then they would need to operate under the rules of war - one being

The law of war places limits on the exercise of a belligerent’s power mentioned under Purposes and requires that belligerents refrain from employing any kind or degree of violence which is not actually necessary for military purposes and that they conduct hostilities with regard for the principles of humanity and chivalry.
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so it is OK when the suicide bombers do it... but now when Israel does it.
You are a hypocrite.
 
Garyvdh said:
so it is OK when the suicide bombers do it... but now when Israel does it.
You are a hypocrite and a racist.
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I will accept your condemnation if you can show me where I said the wrongs of the palestinians were acceptable.

If not an apology would be nice.

I won't even comment on the racist slur. ( even though you edited it out.... )
 
Alan said:
World loses sympathy :confused: Who's this "world" you talk of and why the hell should Israel give a **** what they think when they're taking the measure they think are necessary to protect themselves
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Exactly! +1

I don't think Israel actually gives a shirt what the world thinks... and the Radical Terrorists obviously have no intention of respecting world morals either.
You play with fire you get burned. Israel does it out of necessity... but the radicals do it out of hatred and racism.
 
daveza said:
I will accept your condemnation if you can show me where I said the wrongs of the palestinians were acceptable.

If not an apology would be nice.

I won't even comment on the racist slur. ( even though you edited it out.... )
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show me one place where you condemned the Palestinians. for all the rockets fired into Israel over the last period of the peace accord. Israel stuck by the peace accord while all of this was going on by the way.

To side with a group of people who deny another group their right to exist and who call for their total extermination makes you a racist in my book.
 
daveza said:
Democracy ...

Zimbabwe is a democracy, the US is a democracy even though it's not the party with the most votes that wins.

Apartheid South Africa was a democracy. Do I want that kind of democracy -no.

If I had to choose over an oppressive democracy or a benign despot I would choose the latter.
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Zimbabwe a democracy. Wow I never realised


Benign WTF :eek::eek:

Thy embezzled millions of dollars meant as aid for their own people and you call them benign. At least the Israelis can look after their own people.
 
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