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The Official Ashes 2013 Thread - ENG vs AUS
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I dunno. He has bowled very well and did okay in the first innings. Just dont have him open which is just madness
NeonNinja
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They to request extra 30 mins?
NeonNinja
Neon Resident
They do
AfricanTech
Honorary Master
Well done poms
NeonNinja
Neon Resident
Urgh...
Interesting read.
Nannes: The Experience Gap
Dirk Nannes says that decisions made by Cricket Australia four years ago are coming back to haunt them.*
Many are writing of the terminal*decline of Australian cricket, evidenced by*‘Australia’s worst team ever’ now touring*the UK.
The current team is not as bad as the*press make out, but I do think Cricket*Australia have a case to answer when it*comes to the depth in Australian cricket.
It’s no secret that Australia has a lack of*depth in its batting. Where there was once a*waiting list of hardened batsmen ready to*step into the Test team, there are now none.*A player with a few first-class hundreds to*their name is now seriously considered for*selection on a touring party or an Australia*A game, where in the past regular hundreds*would be required to simply hold your place*in a first-class side.
I certainly don’t blame the current*players. They are getting picked as the*shining lights in a system that is down on*what it once was. But why is it down? And*what has changed?
For me, the start of the decline began in*2009, when Cricket Australia changed the*structure of their first-class breeding*program – the state’s 2nd XI system. Greg*Chappell was in charge at the Centre of*Excellence (Australia’s version of*Loughborough), and he headed a push for*youth in all Australian programs.
As a result, the lauded state 2nd XI*competition was overhauled to promote*youth over experience. Old players had to*make way, as the 2nd XI rules now required a*team to have only three players over 23 years*old. Greg’s belief was: ‘If you hadn’t made it*by the age of 27, you were never going to*make it… so why have them in the system?’
I guess he is right in one respect, as*historically all the great batsmen in world*cricket started when they were in their*teens. But there are so many more things to*consider when developing a complete player.*A great young player is historically born*from a dressing room with a wealth of*knowledge. They have served an*apprenticeship in a strong team, as the*baby in a team of experienced players.*Older teammates shot him down when he *was out of line, tore shreds off him when*he played a rash shot, and handed out*limited praise when he did well. He was*the smallest fish in a vast bowl of*experienced heads.
Since 2009, with the forced dearth of*experienced heads in the first-class*dressing rooms, the youngsters are the big*fish in a small, inexperienced bowl. Where 2nd XI cricket was once an arena where*fringe players kept form or proved*themselves, injured players gained fitness,*and youngsters were thrown to the wolves*and asked to prove their worth, it has now*changed to being a forum where players*wear training wheels in a diluted ‘junior*cricket for grown ups’.
But where have these older guys gone?
With the change in focus towards youth,*many domestic first-class boards changed*their core organisational goals from*‘creating a strong first-class team’, to*‘creating Australian players’. As a result of*the shift in focus and changes to the rules,*older players on the fringe of first-class*teams were finding themselves squeezed off*the contract list, or that their yearly*retainer was falling to a level that made a*comfortable family life unattainable. They*no longer had a cricketing forum to prove*that they were better than the up-and-coming*youth, and hence were shuffled on*before their time.
These are the same guys that would sit in*a change room after a game with beer in*hand, talking everything cricket and*nothing else, waiting for their time to find a*regular first-class game. They were now*moving on to their next job, and their years*of experience went with them.
As a result, the current Test players are*being picked before their time. What would*previously be a 30-year-old Michael*Hussey-type selection is now a 23-year-old,*with only 30 or so games of experience.*Inexperienced players give inconsistent*results, as they have not ripened into the*mature and hardened cricketer that their*potential allows.*We are seeing that in the current series.
These Australian cricketers are certainly*very talented, and may well have made the*national team in previous eras, but their*inconsistent results in this and previous*series could well be the result of decisions*made well before their time in the spotlight.
These small decisions made in a board*room may not seem like a massive deal*when they are made by an idealistic few, but*they have huge ramifications that can affect*a whole generation of cricketers.
In essence, Cricket Australia is reaping*what they have sown.
Nannes: The Experience Gap
Dirk Nannes says that decisions made by Cricket Australia four years ago are coming back to haunt them.*
Many are writing of the terminal*decline of Australian cricket, evidenced by*‘Australia’s worst team ever’ now touring*the UK.
The current team is not as bad as the*press make out, but I do think Cricket*Australia have a case to answer when it*comes to the depth in Australian cricket.
It’s no secret that Australia has a lack of*depth in its batting. Where there was once a*waiting list of hardened batsmen ready to*step into the Test team, there are now none.*A player with a few first-class hundreds to*their name is now seriously considered for*selection on a touring party or an Australia*A game, where in the past regular hundreds*would be required to simply hold your place*in a first-class side.
I certainly don’t blame the current*players. They are getting picked as the*shining lights in a system that is down on*what it once was. But why is it down? And*what has changed?
For me, the start of the decline began in*2009, when Cricket Australia changed the*structure of their first-class breeding*program – the state’s 2nd XI system. Greg*Chappell was in charge at the Centre of*Excellence (Australia’s version of*Loughborough), and he headed a push for*youth in all Australian programs.
As a result, the lauded state 2nd XI*competition was overhauled to promote*youth over experience. Old players had to*make way, as the 2nd XI rules now required a*team to have only three players over 23 years*old. Greg’s belief was: ‘If you hadn’t made it*by the age of 27, you were never going to*make it… so why have them in the system?’
I guess he is right in one respect, as*historically all the great batsmen in world*cricket started when they were in their*teens. But there are so many more things to*consider when developing a complete player.*A great young player is historically born*from a dressing room with a wealth of*knowledge. They have served an*apprenticeship in a strong team, as the*baby in a team of experienced players.*Older teammates shot him down when he *was out of line, tore shreds off him when*he played a rash shot, and handed out*limited praise when he did well. He was*the smallest fish in a vast bowl of*experienced heads.
Since 2009, with the forced dearth of*experienced heads in the first-class*dressing rooms, the youngsters are the big*fish in a small, inexperienced bowl. Where 2nd XI cricket was once an arena where*fringe players kept form or proved*themselves, injured players gained fitness,*and youngsters were thrown to the wolves*and asked to prove their worth, it has now*changed to being a forum where players*wear training wheels in a diluted ‘junior*cricket for grown ups’.
But where have these older guys gone?
With the change in focus towards youth,*many domestic first-class boards changed*their core organisational goals from*‘creating a strong first-class team’, to*‘creating Australian players’. As a result of*the shift in focus and changes to the rules,*older players on the fringe of first-class*teams were finding themselves squeezed off*the contract list, or that their yearly*retainer was falling to a level that made a*comfortable family life unattainable. They*no longer had a cricketing forum to prove*that they were better than the up-and-coming*youth, and hence were shuffled on*before their time.
These are the same guys that would sit in*a change room after a game with beer in*hand, talking everything cricket and*nothing else, waiting for their time to find a*regular first-class game. They were now*moving on to their next job, and their years*of experience went with them.
As a result, the current Test players are*being picked before their time. What would*previously be a 30-year-old Michael*Hussey-type selection is now a 23-year-old,*with only 30 or so games of experience.*Inexperienced players give inconsistent*results, as they have not ripened into the*mature and hardened cricketer that their*potential allows.*We are seeing that in the current series.
These Australian cricketers are certainly*very talented, and may well have made the*national team in previous eras, but their*inconsistent results in this and previous*series could well be the result of decisions*made well before their time in the spotlight.
These small decisions made in a board*room may not seem like a massive deal*when they are made by an idealistic few, but*they have huge ramifications that can affect*a whole generation of cricketers.
In essence, Cricket Australia is reaping*what they have sown.
MickeyD
RIP
Australian Cricket
(their turn!)
What do you call a world-class Australian cricketer?
Retired.
What do you call an Australian who can hold a catch?
A fisherman.
Why can no-one drink wine in Australia at the moment?
They haven't got any openers ..
What is the difference between Cinderella and the Aussies?
Cinderella knew when to leave the ball.
What does an Australian batsman who is playing in The Ashes have in common with Michael Jackson?
They both wore gloves for no apparent reason.
Who spends the most time on the crease of anyone on the Australian cricket team?
The woman who irons their cricket whites.
What's the height of optimism?
An Aussie batsman putting on sunscreen.
What do you call a cricket field full of Australians ?
A vacant lot.
What's the difference between an Aussie batsman and a Formula 1 car?
Nothing! If you blink you'll miss them both
What's the difference between Michael Clarke and a funeral director?
A funeral director doesn't keep losing the ashes
The Australian bobsleigh team have asked the Aussie cricket team for a meeting.
They want to ask their advice about going downhill so fast!
What do you call an Aussie with a bottle of Champagne?
A waiter.
(their turn!)
What do you call a world-class Australian cricketer?
Retired.
What do you call an Australian who can hold a catch?
A fisherman.
Why can no-one drink wine in Australia at the moment?
They haven't got any openers ..
What is the difference between Cinderella and the Aussies?
Cinderella knew when to leave the ball.
What does an Australian batsman who is playing in The Ashes have in common with Michael Jackson?
They both wore gloves for no apparent reason.
Who spends the most time on the crease of anyone on the Australian cricket team?
The woman who irons their cricket whites.
What's the height of optimism?
An Aussie batsman putting on sunscreen.
What do you call a cricket field full of Australians ?
A vacant lot.
What's the difference between an Aussie batsman and a Formula 1 car?
Nothing! If you blink you'll miss them both
What's the difference between Michael Clarke and a funeral director?
A funeral director doesn't keep losing the ashes
The Australian bobsleigh team have asked the Aussie cricket team for a meeting.
They want to ask their advice about going downhill so fast!
What do you call an Aussie with a bottle of Champagne?
A waiter.
AfricanTech
Honorary Master
LOL - ouch!
and I thought we were harsh on our team
and I thought we were harsh on our team
MickeyD
RIP
What do you call an Australian with a hundred to his name ?
A bowler.
A bowler.
NeonNinja
Neon Resident
An occasional Clarke or a bowler.
NeonNinja
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Shane Watson(rhb) 102r 114b 16(4) 1(6) 89.47str
Australia 148/3 (45.0 ov)
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****ING YEAH!!!! GO RAPE THEM POMMIES HARD!
NeonNinja
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Aussies on the charge alright!
1 . 6 1 . 1 | 1 . . 1 1 1 | 6 . 2 . 1 2 | 4 2 . . 2 1
486/8.
"Declare at 500 and let the bowlers have a go?" Reckon you might be right, David R.
1 . 6 1 . 1 | 1 . . 1 1 1 | 6 . 2 . 1 2 | 4 2 . . 2 1
486/8.
"Declare at 500 and let the bowlers have a go?" Reckon you might be right, David R.
Mike Hoxbig
Honorary Master
They'll find a way to fsck this up...
