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[Ho3n3r]

after a week of it being Obvious.

Crictinfo is calling it as it is here




its just the first time they are straight up saying its because of the Quota system.

Yeah, but they've got their racism pioneer Firdose Moonda as an SA staffer, and I assume they tried to spare her feelings for as long as possible.

 

[modern10]

after a week of it being Obvious.

Crictinfo is calling it as it is here




its just the first time they are straight up saying its because of the Quota system.

Wtf does quotas have to do with this. Did quotas force Rilee, Stiaan, Kyle out. Noo players who are better forced them out. Of Quotas were really this big monster guys make it out to be guys like Stephen Cook would never have been selected. It's weak logic. I mean of the Kolpak players, who except for Kyle can actually currently stake a claim for a spot in the national team. It's *** logic

 

[Baxteen]

Wtf does quotas have to do with this. Did quotas force Rilee, Stiaan, Kyle out. Noo players who are better forced them out. Of Quotas were really this big monster guys make it out to be guys like Stephen Cook would never have been selected. It's weak logic. I mean of the Kolpak players, who except for Kyle can actually currently stake a claim for a spot in the national team. It's *** logic

no its not Quota's fault. RR has never been left out of the team so that JP can play. (please note I have been defending JP for a long time)

when AB is fit and only 5 white players can play, is RR, Stiaan, or any of the players that left going to get the nod?

no. our 4 white players are: AB, Stein, QDK and Faf.


now by no means am I saying all non white players are worse, but how would you feel if you were in their position? there is one space for a white player in the team, and there are 2 sometimes 3 out of form non white players in the team.
Berhardien being one of them. he cannot cut it on the international circuit. if he could, he would have an IPL contract.
in Tests JP is another, he should not be playing test cricket.
Parnell is another, yes he had a few good games, but he is not better than some of the people that have left.


dont be daft. the people who tool the KOLPAK deals did the right thing for them, and if I were in their shoes I would do the same thing.

 

[WaxLyrical]

I'd say it's a 50/50.
Quotas and Pounds.

Bottom line is that you can only field 11 players, and if Stiaan says he signed up with kolpak because of quotas then he's an ass.

He was just shyte, and subsequently got replaced by another white ou.

On the other hand players like JP with more lives than a cat from Asgard continues with his efforts to hit a test average of under 30 with intense fervor.

 

[sox63]

Wtf does quotas have to do with this. Did quotas force Rilee, Stiaan, Kyle out. Noo players who are better forced them out. Of Quotas were really this big monster guys make it out to be guys like Stephen Cook would never have been selected. It's weak logic. I mean of the Kolpak players, who except for Kyle can actually currently stake a claim for a spot in the national team. It's *** logic

Quotas did play a big role. But not at National level but provincial level. As a result a lot of the franchises rotate players a lot and even though most the recent Kolpak crew had central contracts and income was secure, I am sure they probably didn't like sitting out some games.

I personally am for transformation and am of the opinion it's working, but will be one of the first to admit these type of fringe players with options thanks to the EU deal will leave. And that's unfortunate, but I still support transformation

 

[Baxteen]

I'd say it's a 50/50.
Quotas and Pounds.

Bottom line is that you can only field 11 players, and if Stiaan says he signed up with kolpak because then he's an ass.

He was just shyte, and subsequently got replaced by another white ou.

On the other hand players like JP with more lives than a cat from Asgard continues with his efforts to hit a test average of under 30 with intense fervor.

while I am not saying Stiaan should be playing in JP's spot, what I am saying is if the Quota system was not in place, JP would have been dropped ages ago, and we would have given a few different players a few chances until we found someone good enough.

I have also pointed out JP is not alone in his fault here, if Stein and Morkel retired already, like, last year when they started being injured more than playing, someone like Abbot would not have taken the Kolpak deal.

Stein should retire from ODI and T20, focus on tests. Morkel should take a Kolpak deal. as a retirement package.

 

[Mike7]

no its not Quota's fault. RR has never been left out of the team so that JP can play. (please note I have been defending JP for a long time)

when AB is fit and only 5 white players can play, is RR, Stiaan, or any of the players that left going to get the nod?

no. our 4 white players are: AB, Stein, QDK and Faf.


now by no means am I saying all non white players are worse, but how would you feel if you were in their position? there is one space for a white player in the team, and there are 2 sometimes 3 out of form non white players in the team.
Berhardien being one of them. he cannot cut it on the international circuit. if he could, he would have an IPL contract.
in Tests JP is another, he should not be playing test cricket.
Parnell is another, yes he had a few good games, but he is not better than some of the people that have left.


dont be daft. the people who tool the KOLPAK deals did the right thing for them, and if I were in their shoes I would do the same thing.

Who was the quota who kept Rossouw out when he got 4 ducks in 6 innings? Where was the quotas in the ODI series against Australia when Amla was left out for Rossouw?

How many ****ing chances did Van Zyl get to show he's not up to it?

Sick of the excuses of these white players who are not good enough. No one is guaranteed a place in ANY international side.

If you are a good enough white player you will get your chance!

Behardien was one of the best players in the local T20. For any non white player you mention that keeps getting chances I can name 5 white players who was given countless opportunities.

If there is a black player in the side it DOES NOT mean that there is some poor white sap out there wronged by the system.

Sick of the excuses I read on here and all over the net.

 

[WaxLyrical]

while I am not saying Stiaan should be playing in JP's spot, what I am saying is if the Quota system was not in place, JP would have been dropped ages ago, and we would have given a few different players a few chances until we found someone good enough.

I have also pointed out JP is not alone in his fault here, if Stein and Morkel retired already, like, last year when they started being injured more than playing, someone like Abbot would not have taken the Kolpak deal.

Stein should retire from ODI and T20, focus on tests. Morkel should take a Kolpak deal. as a retirement package.

Which is why I'm saying the selectors are adopting measured approach when it comes to quotas.

With Abbott there are no quota players that placed his selection under threat, thereby forcing him into kolpak.

Rabada and Philander are there on merit.

And Abbott will likely be replaced by a non quota player who happens to be faster and younger.

 

[pinball wizard]

So, I've been eviscerated here for saying QdK should be the captain, what gives this chicken in the distance the correct credentials?

 

[stefan9]

while I am not saying Stiaan should be playing in JP's spot, what I am saying is if the Quota system was not in place, JP would have been dropped ages ago, and we would have given a few different players a few chances until we found someone good enough.

I have also pointed out JP is not alone in his fault here, if Stein and Morkel retired already, like, last year when they started being injured more than playing, someone like Abbot would not have taken the Kolpak deal.

Stein should retire from ODI and T20, focus on tests. Morkel should take a Kolpak deal. as a retirement package.

Can we please spell Steyn's surname correctly its rather disrespectful to keep spelling a legends surname incorrectly Steyn deserves to go out when he decides its time and not a minute before.

As for JP wasn't just colour that kept him in the side. Guy is basically the graeme hick of SA. So much talent but can't convert it. Rossouw and van zyl have had massive brainfart as well...

Harmer along with Tahir were dreadful in india , totally out bowled by their counterparts hence why the selectors moved on from them. Only have themselves to blame.

Viljoen was too lose in his first taste of international cricket but instead of going and working on his game he chose the easy route.

Quotas didn't rob these guys of anything. Ab£ott,Ros£ouw and co just didn't have enough Protea pride and preferred their pounds...

 

[modern10]

Can we please spell Steyn's surname correctly its rather disrespectful to keep spelling a legends surname incorrectly Steyn deserves to go out when he decides its time and not a minute before.

As for JP wasn't just colour that kept him in the side. Guy is basically the graeme hick of SA. So much talent but can't convert it. Rossouw and van zyl have had massive brainfart as well...

Harmer along with Tahir were dreadful in india , totally out bowled by their counterparts hence why the selectors moved on from them. Only have themselves to blame.

Viljoen was too lose in his first taste of international cricket but instead of going and working on his game he chose the easy route.

Quotas didn't rob these guys of anything. Ab£ott,Ros£ouw and co just didn't have enough Protea pride and preferred their pounds...

+1000000000

 

[pinball wizard]

Can we please spell Steyn's surname correctly its rather disrespectful to keep spelling a legends surname incorrectly Steyn deserves to go out when he decides its time and not a minute before.

Fix your punctuation first.

 

[Vrotappel]

Who was the quota who kept Rossouw out when he got 4 ducks in 6 innings? Where was the quotas in the ODI series against Australia when Amla was left out for Rossouw?

How many ****ing chances did Van Zyl get to show he's not up to it?

Sick of the excuses of these white players who are not good enough. No one is guaranteed a place in ANY international side.

If you are a good enough white player you will get your chance!

Behardien was one of the best players in the local T20. For any non white player you mention that keeps getting chances I can name 5 white players who was given countless opportunities.

If there is a black player in the side it DOES NOT mean that there is some poor white sap out there wronged by the system.

Sick of the excuses I read on here and all over the net.

Sick of the truth. How many changes do you think Bavuma will get?

 

[phoneJunky]

Sick of the truth. How many changes do you think Bavuma will get?

I suppose while his average is 8 more than Kallis at this stage in his career he should still be fine. If it wasn't for the last test Bavuma would also have had a higher average than Faf over the same period of time, from when Bavuma started. He only really failed in these two tests against Sri Lanka so far where he scored 10 in 4 innings. He also performed significantly better than Stiaan where Stiaan was introduced literally a test before Bavuma. When Stiaan was dropped at the latter part of last year there was a 13 run ave difference between then. Even with the Sri Lanka failure his average is still higher than Stiaan by a bit and no-one is complaining about the opportunity that Stiaan got.

I read a few Stiaan is not using his opportunity or is a bit disappointing - but not really how many chances is he going to get type comments. If Bavuma's average is going to go to the mid 20's he is going to be left out of the squad. Rillee was next in line before the Kolpak ordeal, but even him has no figure better than Duminy in any format of the game - and people are also hammering on him as a quota selection.

Bavuma is probably starting to feel the pressure, but if he has one good score this test I don't see them dropping drop him - even if he wasn't black.

 

[sand_man]

Not to mention he's worth 30 or 40 in the field...

 

[Agent_Smith]

/snip

If I recall, Temba was the only batsman (apart from AB) to show any grit in India. He has had a lean patch recently so yes, too soon to write him off.

 

[Neoprod]

Not to mention he's worth 30 or 40 in the field...

only when the ball is below knee height for a normal person

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

So the count is now 8 players who have represented the Proteas in one format or another are now signed out by Kolpak:

1. Kyle Abbott
2. Rilee Rossouw
3. Marchant de Lange
4. David Wiese
5. Simon Harmer
6. Colin Ingram
7. Stiann van Zyl
8. Hardus Viljoen

Grief!

Are there any more to come?

3 more batsmen and that's actually a decent team!

 

[Kelerei]

Don't think we have an U19 thread, so I'm putting it here. Excerpt from this afternoon's Western Province Cricket Club newsletter:

This weekend coming we are privileged to host the U19 TRIANGULAR series at the Club.
The tournament will display the best young talent on offer from the 3 countries. The fixtures are as follows: (1 day format)

Sat 14 Jan - SA U19 vs Zimbabwe U19 (Wally Wilson Oval)
Sun 15 Jan- SA U19 vs Sri Lanka U19 (Wally Wilson Oval)
Mon 16 Jan – Sri Lanka U19 vs Zimbabwe U19 (Wally Wilson Oval)

I'll pop the scores for these 3 games up as soon as I'm able to (will be delayed as I'm involved with the club's regular fixtures).

 

[stefan9]

Issue is going to be the NZ series. Who makes way for AB?