The race card thread

I just want to actually bring back a point tibby made, and that is that he said it must be whites working at the spca to bring this charge forward.

in another post he mentions that a black guy wouldve displayed cultural sensitivity and had a quiet word with mr bull-torturer.

may i just say I probably agree with tibby. i too have a feeling that the white guys may have decided that the law is the law, and lawbreakers should be apprehended, and that they black guy may have just had a quiet aside with yengeni. it is the way of africa. the only thing missing from the story is the R200 note.
 
werner said:
I just want to actually bring back a point tibby made, and that is that he said it must be whites working at the spca to bring this charge forward.

in another post he mentions that a black guy wouldve displayed cultural sensitivity and had a quiet word with mr bull-torturer.

may i just say I probably agree with tibby. i too have a feeling that the white guys may have decided that the law is the law, and lawbreakers should be apprehended, and that they black guy may have just had a quiet aside with yengeni. it is the way of africa. the only thing missing from the story is the R200 note.
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There is no need for that...
 
texo said:
Of course "you" do -- usually with dogs, if I'm not mistaken.
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That is too low tech and too provincial ... now use a rifle like the larneys and have sent bambi to meet her maker but don't tell my dear kids though ... they believe the biltong comes from the shop ;).
 
tibby.dude said:
No but a distinct lack of cultural sensitivity.
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At which point does culture end and the law begin? People claim practices such as FGM are "cultural" and should be left alone. What about the Taliban etc.? You can't give a blanket acceptance to actions because they're deemed cultural. Obviously cultures should be respected in general though, that's why I think you need a general framework of laws regarding cruelty, human rights etc. and then as long as cultural practices stay within that framework they should be protected.
 
werner said:
I just want to actually bring back a point tibby made, and that is that he said it must be whites working at the spca to bring this charge forward.

in another post he mentions that a black guy wouldve displayed cultural sensitivity and had a quiet word with mr bull-torturer.

may i just say I probably agree with tibby. i too have a feeling that the white guys may have decided that the law is the law, and lawbreakers should be apprehended, and that they black guy may have just had a quiet aside with yengeni. it is the way of africa. the only thing missing from the story is the R200 note.
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LOL - cultural pain is different from malice pain... I wonder if anyone explained that to the bull. "Mr Bull, you are gonna die slowly now, but its for a good cause 'cos we are welcoming a convicted fraudster back in to our community". culture is an excuse. If the 'cultural' people READ the constition, and NOT JUST to the parts they like, they will notice that there are Exclusions to the 'Cultural Protection'. For example.
The consitution allows me to have a public gathering, but if I am having a public gathering to discuss and carry out the murder of a person, THEN the public gathering is not protected by the constitution and arrests can be made for it. The Yengeni story is pure media crap, but his Actions are still *NOT* excusable. Its like saying "Its only illegal if you get caught"
 
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tibby.dude said:
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,9294,2-7-1442_2057685,00.html

Andries Venter, Western Cape SPCA chief inspector:

"There are international standards that apply when animals are slaughtered."

Shortly before they are killed, slaughter animals are sedated, shocked senseless or shot with a special pistol.

Cultural sensitivity indeed ... I rest my case.
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How does that prove anything? The whole point is that those standards were not complied with.
 
Last week while I was away in the E Cape, my one Zulu labourer asked if he could slaughter one of my chickens to eat. I said he could but wanted to know how he intended doing it. He said he would slit its throat. So i asked to see the knife he intended using and he brings me this blunt table knife that you would eat a meal with. I told him he couldnt hack a chickens throat with that! It wouldnt be a clean cut and the animal would suffer. I then proceeded to explain how he should slaughter it:

I told him that after he had caught the bird, it would be frightened. He should then hold it under his arm and stroke it to calm it down. Then he should place it on its back and stroke it from under its chin, along the centre of its belly all the way to the poopchute until it was so calm it wouldnt move. Then he was to thank the bird for giving its life up so that he could eat (in the style of Bushmen respect) and then calmly and gently extend its neck and then slit it in one movement with a very sharp knife. That way the bird would not suffer, would be shown the respect it deserved and I would feel better.

Needless to say he looked at me like i was stark raving mad...
 
Last time I checked every person in spain don't see it their right to hold bull fighting in their local street. To pre-empt you pamplona... is held once a year.
 
Freshy-ZN said:
Last week while I was away in the E Cape, my one Zulu labourer asked if he could slaughter one of my chickens to eat. I said he could but wanted to know how he intended doing it. He said he would slit its throat. So i asked to see the knife he intended using and he brings me this blunt table knife that you would eat a meal with. I told him he couldnt hack a chickens throat with that! It wouldnt be a clean cut and the animal would suffer. I then proceeded to explain how he should slaughter it:

I told him that after he had caught the bird, it would be frightened. He should then hold it under his arm and stroke it to calm it down. Then he should place it on its back and stroke it from under its chin, along the centre of its belly all the way to the poopchute until it was so calm it wouldnt move. Then he was to thank the bird for giving its life up so that he could eat (in the style of Bushmen respect) and then calmly and gently extend its neck and then slit it in one movement with a very sharp knife. That way the bird would not suffer, would be shown the respect it deserved and I would feel better.

Needless to say he looked at me like i was stark raving mad...
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Yes mercy and compassion does not seem to find its way in the ‘traditional’ world. It is because when they were infighting and murdering each other, before western laws stopped them, that was the only way to survive – give no quarter and take as much you can.
Us westerners did not escape the madness of evil either. WW II is an example. But because WWII did not escalate to Sub Sahara Africa, Africa does not understand the terror of war on a global magnitude. What Africa South of the Sahara sees are our remorse and rejection of violence and misinterpreting it as a weakness. It is respect out of knowing the slaughter war brings. The small skirmishes of Africa is no match to the wars Europe had to go through.
WWII ended a mere 57 years ago.
When it comes to protecting own rights, securing resources and being able to defend yourself, Africa has a lot to learn. Stop being backward and retarded on the social and education front and learn that only through strength can you survive. Not by being political popular in a protected world.
 
tibby.dude said:
Cultural sensitivity indeed ... I rest my case.
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unfortnately for africa this kind of blunt african logic only helps this continent shift deeper into the dump that it is. This logic of "how we know better and if you tell us different you are a racist" mentality only further divides africa from the rest of the world in the way of technology, progress and enlightenment.

But hey... if you want to don animal skins and wear glittery stuff singing crazy songs to dead people while poking holes into a creature of sorts like some kind of crazed animal then by all means do that - it is after all your right as long as you don't mind the European man pointing and laughing at this retarded culture reminiscent of cavemen. after all it would be their right too.

that is what equal rights is about. you being allowed to do stupid things and blaming it on culture and another person pointing and calling it stupid.
 
tibby said:
No but a distinct lack of cultural sensitivity.
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**** cultural sensitivity. Shall I just shut up when some idiot decides its in his culture to mutilate his daughter's private parts? (Or more to the point in this country, his son's private parts).

What about a culture that is based upon treating all other races as inferior? Shall I just overlook that because it's their (or perhaps 'our') culture?
 
Western Cape Traditional Healers Association chairman Sobantu Kubukile said the ritual was conducted correctly.

"The animal must bellow to show acceptance (by the ancestors). If it does not, it cannot be slaughtered," Kubukile said.

The SPCA will have to charge Yengeni's Amamfene clan as well, he said, as he was fulfilling their cultural rites.

Memela said it was strange that it was not considered abnormal when Muslims and Jews conducted their rituals by killing animals to make their meat halaal and kosher.

"But, in the case of the Yengeni family, we observe selective racism that condemns this African ritual. What compounds the situation is that the levelled criticism is based on ignorance, contempt and lack of respect for African culture."
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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20070124015225727C951275
 
Hey tibby, I'm still waiting for your explanation as to why I should support people antagonising a bull until it bellows.
 
Freshy-ZN said:
Last week while I was away in the E Cape, my one Zulu labourer asked if he could slaughter one of my chickens to eat. I said he could but wanted to know how he intended doing it. He said he would slit its throat. So i asked to see the knife he intended using and he brings me this blunt table knife that you would eat a meal with. I told him he couldnt hack a chickens throat with that! It wouldnt be a clean cut and the animal would suffer. I then proceeded to explain how he should slaughter it:

I told him that after he had caught the bird, it would be frightened. He should then hold it under his arm and stroke it to calm it down. Then he should place it on its back and stroke it from under its chin, along the centre of its belly all the way to the poopchute until it was so calm it wouldnt move. Then he was to thank the bird for giving its life up so that he could eat (in the style of Bushmen respect) and then calmly and gently extend its neck and then slit it in one movement with a very sharp knife. That way the bird would not suffer, would be shown the respect it deserved and I would feel better.

Needless to say he looked at me like i was stark raving mad...
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Are you a bushman? :confused:
 
African culture seems not to care for animals. It's no wonder hardly any money goes to organizations like the SPCA who would be far more effective in cracking down on this backward and uncivilized ritual.
 
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