The racism related news articles thread

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

No, we are simply getting tired of your trolling.

Well remember that Ngwe23 was one of the people who magically believed that purple was black just so that he could go on a racist rant against white people.

Maybe it is a combination of a massive chip on the shoulder coupled with extreme stupidity instead of trolling.

 

[MickeyD]

Well remember that Ngwe23 was one of the people who magically believed that purple was black just so that he could go on a racist rant against white people.

Maybe it is a combination of a massive chip on the shoulder coupled with extreme stupidity instead of trolling.

She is not stupid...

 

[Xarog]

Well remember that Ngwe23 was one of the people who magically believed that purple was black just so that he could go on a racist rant against white people.

Maybe it is a combination of a massive chip on the shoulder coupled with extreme stupidity instead of trolling.

He also apologised for it when it turned out he was incorrect.

 

[Kilgore_Trout_Redux]

She is not stupid...

Willfully ignorant then.

He also apologised for it when it turned out he was incorrect.

It doesn't work like that. In South Africa (And increasingly in the rest of the world.) an accusation of racism is incredibly destructive to a person's reputation and entire their entire future. It took a cursory glance at the photo to see that it was not black face. When due diligence means a 2 second glance at the offending photo and you don't even do that before screaming "RACISM!!!!!1111One11" an apology means nothing because a person like that will always see what they want to see.

S/He has already admitted that they are unable to see beyond the past and this informs their entire worldview. A person like that doesn't know how to build, advance and create a better future for anyone. They only know how to dwell in the past and spread hatred and misinformation to further their own prejudices.

 

[Xarog]

It doesn't work like that. In South Africa (And increasingly in the rest of the world.) an accusation of racism is incredibly destructive to a person's reputation and entire their entire future. It took a cursory glance at the photo to see that it was not black face. When due diligence means a 2 second glance at the offending photo and you don't even do that before screaming "RACISM!!!!!1111One11" an apology means nothing because a person like that will always see what they want to see.

Yeah, but the point is if he was doing it to be a troll he would not have apologised. So in other words what you and MickeyD are talking about are two entirely separate issues, thus stop dog-piling on him just because you feel like adding to the swarm.

 

[Spliffcat]

This is an epic orgy of old woman with wet panties.
Racists are cnuts.
Let's move on and leave the cnuts to their own devices.

 

[YeOldeOke]

@DJ.

You make a lot of very sensible points. Points I have made for many years. Your ideals are obviously of high calibre. But there is another very important dimension that, in the interests of one's family, one cannot lose sight of - the current facts on the ground, their trajectory and probable outcomes.

As my handle says, I'm an old oke. So I've lived through many a hope and turmoil. I've always been of a liberal mindset and have given up a great amount personally for the good of the country - not because I'm such a great guy but because if people like me didn't make space for the valid aspirations of the majority the outcome was guaranteed to be disasterous for all.

My motivations were basically twofold - social responsibility and the knowledge that if I didn't contribute my own children's future was bleak in this country. Even before 1994 I was contributing to the advancement of the disenfranchised, and later I left the country because I had to make space in senior management for the aspirations being fulfilled. Never in all these years have I been negative about it or complained about it even though it cost me a great deal personally. It simply had to be done.

Up until a few months ago I continued urging people to work towards a better future for all in SA. But in the end one cannot simply stick your head in the sand and continue tilting at windmills. No matter how good your intentions and ideals, if you simply ignore the tsunami wave coming at you it will sweep you away. Reality doesn't conform to your ideals, you have to dovetail them to it.

So yes, I hope I'm wrong and that the fight you fight is still winnable, but with all I've learnt in my life it simply isn't anymore, no matter how much I wish it were. Comes a time that one must warn those that do not recognise the wave approaching if one has any compassion for your fellow man.

You have my support and best wishes.

 

[ngwe23]

Well remember that Ngwe23 was one of the people who magically believed that purple was black just so that he could go on a racist rant against white people.

Maybe it is a combination of a massive chip on the shoulder coupled with extreme stupidity instead of trolling.

I am also one of the people that apologies when presented with new information. It is also interesting that you are comfortable calling me names but I do not resort to those sort of things. My only crime of this forum is that I hold a different view.

 

[saor]

Here's how I see things: most white people I've heard want to convince black people to better understand the DA's policies in an effort to convince them that the DA is not a racist party. Those same white people have never actually read an ANC policy document in their life yet adopt this hypocritical and frankly condescending attitude towards everyone else about the DA, and also happen to not know a thing about any DA policy documents other than the soundbites they hear between the DA's frequent ANC beratement sessions.

Having such an obvious bad guy running a political party puts opponents of that party in an illusory position where they just 'vote for the lesser of two evils'; it makes for lazy voters when the devil is in town. Nice post.

 

[ngwe23]

Expecting a 'you're a racist' response.

But yeah this guy is as toxic as it comes.

Because I have called people racist before? If anything it is the opposite. I am called a racist, troll daily etc but one can back it up. Funny thing is that the racists attack me daily and no one raises an eyebrow.

 

[freddster]

Did metric count when we were discriminated against? It is funny that people that benefited from skin colour alone suddenly want merit to count and for skin colour not to be a factor. Skin colour is a factor because your forefathers made it a factor.

You were discriminated against, yet a bigger percentage of you were employed at the time, now all you are doing is getting rid of whites with racist policies like AA, BEE. How would you feel, if you read a few companies lately , Whites only to apply, after you have been promised a fair and free South Africa for all?

No it must continue until the playing ground is level.

How would you suggest to level the playing ground? I have 2 children, you have 5, we have the same salaries. Yet I drive a Porsche, you drive a BMW I live in a R2.5m house , you in a R1m house. You want to tell me I'm more privildged?

ooh but you did. No one acknowledges their white privilege any more.

Perhaps they were not doing the hands on work of brutalizing blacks, but they benefited from a system that was designed to keep them at the top of the social ladder. They passed on that privilege to you.

Who brutalized blacks? And those who planted bombs in restaurants, in CBDs are angels I guess?

Thanks for proving my point. It is amazing the length you would go to just to maintain the status quo of white people dominating blacks.
How can 4million dominate blacks? They have a president, they have voted in, they have AA, BEE on their side...so where is this domination? Where?
But then




BEE is not a punishment. It was setup to advance the prospects of black people. Enough with the butthurt already.

But you can't just advance anyone because they're black. It has to be on merit. If a black has a degree like I do, and he get the job, fine. If he doesn't thats discimination, and there is lots of it. So that is also screwed.
Then you look at Engen lately, advertising Only blacks to apply for ownership of new garages.(in the free and democratic SA), Mnet(DSTV) lately ,No whites to apply for some internship regarding film production. mcDONALDS came here in 1995, Black owners , management, staff only. And you want to tell me above? So why is it there then? To advance prospects of blacks only. Which is racist. If a ad had to be placed "Whites only" that company would be closed down. Yet Blacks only in the Democracy is OK. No problem.

You really have quite a racist outlook, don't you?

Outlook because he is a RACIST. If racism is such a problem for them, they'd look at the government, and the EFF. If I had to sing what Zuma, Malema and "St" mandela sang ...oh dear lord. I would have to more to another planet. Yet, 60 % of the country , mostly blacks support that.
See where the racism starts.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Because I have called people racist before? If anything it is the opposite. I am called a racist, troll daily etc but one can back it up. Funny thing is that the racists attack me daily and no one raises an eyebrow.

Again with the nonsense.. you have been called a racist by a few ppl and it's all been backed up with quotes from your posts....

 

[ngwe23]

You keep implying that you know the truth and when pushed for answers accuse white people of racism. As if we're all the same, lol, which you previously said you don't care about considering. You're happy to accuse all white people of the same things irrespective of reality and judge white people on skin colour. You're OK with that, as you previously admitted.

My accusations can be justified in this instance. KFC jokes were made with regards to my skin colour. When I challenged those joke it because a feeding frenzy with practically anyone taking jabs at me. Those accusations were not directed at “white people” as you suggested, but at those that make jokes at the expense of black people. It is interesting that you do not take the time to address those people. To suggest that I "accuse white people of racism" is stretching the truth, and I am being euphemistic. Also I should add that I try to answer every possible question posed to me and I obviously ignore when the same person keep asking the same question because they would like for me to shift the response

Now there are some class A racist morons on this forum. Fortunately they're in the minority, which accurately represents my experience in every day life as well. Unfortunately you're on the other side of that coin, in the minority, seething with unbridled hatred based on skin colour alone towards white people. You're part of the problem unfortunately as long as you allow melanin count to shape your opinions and catalyse your anger. Ironically, the very thing I've always been lead to believe we're fighting for and what my family fought for. If you're happy to allow skin colour to be the basis of your determination, your ideal is not what anyone fought for, and it's rather sad that you're OK to send the country to the racist aggression once again simply to reserve it for people of particular melanin counts only. It is the logic of a kid. Rather watch the world burn than share and forgive. You really shouldn't be implying that others are removing their "veils of niceness". Respect is earned, and I imagine others here have no reason to respect you and your opinion. You're not owed any niceness when by your admission the content of one's post is less important than the assumed skin colour of the poster. Equally it's quite clear based on your responses so far in this thread that you sarcastically dismiss as a lie, any statement by people you assume are white, where they explain their non-racial / non-racist perspectives. You're not here to engage maturely nor get to know your fellow South African. You're just here to make assumptions about the skin colour of people posting and to reinforce your own racist and hate-filled opinions irrespective of what anyone says during their engagements with you.

I would be interesting for you to justify why I am racist. Do I get heated under the collar during debates? Yes. Have I been wrong before? Absolutely. Do I disagree with most in this forum? Yes. None of this can constitute racism. Now, race matters in SA. You can try to ignore it but it is a significant factor that determines where you will end up in life. It is only when I write uncomfortable truths such as this that the name calling starts. Realise that you and me are from different backgrounds, so what may be a stupid or trollish idea is my reality. This idea that "melanin count" should not shape my view is just but an attempt to legitimise your world view while delegitimising others. You are white, and your world view is shaped by your life experiences as a white person. Those are be vastly different than mine. Should you then be surprised that we see things differently? Why should you then call me names because I see things differently?

I ideal for SA is that all man be equal, black or white. As for this forum we can be equal but then stand against the very instruments that are meant to achieve equality.

I'm fortunately rational enough to realise that you racists simply shout the loudest and most often, which largely inflates the perception of your numbers. You end up arguing and shouting with the loud, racist twats of the other races who adopt an equally scorched earth approach and who you use to reinforce your opinions. Talk about a self fulfilling prophecy! Social media is just teeming with this nonsense, while the more rational populous watches on the outskirts, hoping that this hatred isn't unnecessarily indoctrinated into the next generation. We'll continue our lives with a common rainbow nation goal long after you're finished wasting yours on getting angry with racist, inbred, retarded, uneducated, people of any race you can fight with.

You may think that you are rational, but you are not. The only gift that you are blessed with is eloquence. I will ask again at what point did I became a racist. Since when is it wrong to challenge inequality based on race in SA?

Also don't fool yourself that this is retribution or that your irrational racism is just and deserved. You have a choice (it's what was fought for) and you're choosing the scorched earth approach. It's a conscious decision you're choosing to make. You can convince yourself to your heart's content that it's "right" but the rest of us who'll be here to pick up the pieces when you're done with your destruction (physical, political, or financial) see the bigger picture and want to have the chance to instill better values in our youth, to ensure a non-racial and prosperous future for ALL South Africans. You're a hindrance to that, so don't expect your opinions and self-serving hatred to be treated with respect. And don't insult people's intelligence by implying that the lack of respect correctly directed towards your opinion is in any way a race-based decision. Your opinion deserves the derision it receives. Each time we treat such racism with false respect for whatever reasons, we do ourselves no favours. All we do is you a favour, and you're not deserving of that.

What I see is a desperate attempt by you to maintain the status quo of racial equality in SA. How long should black people live like destitute in a land a rich as ours? At this point something has to be done. I have no idea what the correct approach is. The disparities in our society cannot be sustained in the long term.

Our energies should be focused on the right policies, people, parties, and areas, and we should be teaching our youth the ability to discern the difference between the hatred and destructive loudmouths, from the positive and rational nation builders. As it stands too much time and effort is afforded to racist morons for the sake of headlines and controversy, and we all need to learn to identify the difference before we start trying to teach others. That involves ignoring the likes of you, or when engaging, realising that no rationale will change an irrational opinion, and simply applying the aforementioned derision to the opinion.

Agreed. But I imagine we will disagree on what constitutes " right policies"

So in summary, get used to there being a distinct lack of respect applied to your racist drivel,at least from people who can see through facade. Until such time as you can post something worthy of respect, stop trying to emotionally blackmail people into simply giving it to you. It's high time that we stop affording Malema-esque hatred to take the limelight...

You speak as if my opinions have been offered any respect before. I am not owed an audience, mind you. You also seem to have made yourself the cop, judge and executioner on which post are "worthy". I have stated before that this forum, in general, is extremely myopic and is intolerant of view that is not consistent with middle to upper class white views. You fit that bill. Basic if you want to fit in you should NOT be pro-ANC, or BEE etc. My only crime is that is dared to be different and advanced a different (black) perspective.

 

[ngwe23]

Again with the nonsense.. you have been called a racist by a few ppl and it's all been backed up with quotes from your posts....

So, it shouldn't be hard to find those quotes.
EDIT: I find that people call me racist simply because they are not comfortable with my view, not necessarily that have made racist utterances.

 

[supersunbird]

ngwe23... why is blackface (anyone painting themselves black to imitate a black celebrity say) an issue in SA when it was a US thing? An injury to one is an injury to all thing?

 

[access]

ngwe23... why is blackface (anyone painting themselves black to imitate a black celebrity say) an issue in SA when it was a US thing? An injury to one is an injury to all thing?

exactly,

if I am making myself look like a black person because they are cool or famous or funny for a dress-up party;

how is that an insult to the entire black race? (isnt that a tribute to person being immatated?)


the person(s) getting offended ties the offence to the entire black race, that is racist, its like scoring an own goal.


black race white race yellow race wth. come join the human race, we waiting.

romans had slaves, chinese had slaves, africans had slaves, egyptians had slaves, slavery was as normal as mobile phones. things changed look ahead.

 

[cybershark]

imho this belongs here:
http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/guptas-are-just-a-red-herring-1984163

 

[ngwe23]

ngwe23... why is blackface (anyone painting themselves black to imitate a black celebrity say) an issue in SA when it was a US thing? An injury to one is an injury to all thing?

Just because something is OK in the US should it follow automatically that it should be OK in SA?

 

[MickeyD]

imho this belongs here:
http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/guptas-are-just-a-red-herring-1984163

the headline and tl dr summary

Guptas are just a red herring
14 February 2016 at 07:45am
By: Andile Mngxitama

The EFF is deflecting attention from the true threat - white capital, writes Andile Mngxitama.

 

[access]

Just because something is OK in the US should it follow automatically that it should be OK in SA?

just because something is NOT OK in the US should it follow automatically that it should be NOT OK in SA?