The SA Politics Thread Part 3

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PrimeSteak said:
On an ideological scale, it's true. The two are polar opposites and of course natural enemies.

Secondly, JS clearly said yesterday that the goal was to block an ANC-EFF coalition (aka aptly named Doomsday Coalition) and remove ANC entirely.

I.e. Announced coalition intentions. No ANC, No EFF, only UF.
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Isn't that a flip-flop from his declaration that he may be open to working with the ANC if it keeps the EFF out? Natural enemies whose support they happily accepted post 2016 local election and this round as well. The position and posture only changed after Zille returned and declared that working with the EFF was a disaster (she did make some good points around).
 
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Isn't that a flip-flop from his declaration that he may be open to working with the ANC if it keeps the EFF out? Natural enemies whose support they happily accepted post 2016 local election and this round as well. The position and posture only changed after Zille returned and declared that working with the EFF was a disaster (she did make some good points around).
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I guess the goal until the 2024 elections are to create the New UDF, and try and win with the UF coalition outright. Other options will probably be considered if their attempt fails.

But I think if the UF can truly band together and rope in civil society, they might just do it.
 
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PrimeSteak said:
EFF are nazbol. Aka a mix between communists and fascists...
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Lol no. On many occasions they are confused and Malema would just flip flop and say what he thinks is popular, but don't confuse the propaganda to their members with what they actually believe.
 
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Actually his declaration of the EFF as enemy number 1 was entirely necessary. They are Public Enemy no 1 without a shadow of a doubt. If we think the ANC have been bad for this country, the EFF will be orders of magnitude worse.
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The EFF aren't going to win any elections and rule. If the ANC choose to coalesce with them it would be the ANC's decision. It may well happen if the tide does successfully turn against the CR and Mashatile gets to take over. However, the DA's declaration is moot now and would be moot then as the ANC/EFF wouldn't give a **** what JS declared in their decision making.

Anyway, my point was that JS needs to get out from under Zille's skirts and be his own man if he wants to be taken seriously. This public enemy thing also reeks of the Zille era "Stop Zuma" campaign.
 
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The EFF aren't going to win any elections and rule. If the ANC choose to coalesce with them it would be the ANC's decision. It may well happen if the tide does successfully turn against the CR and Mashatile gets to take over. However, the DA's declaration is moot now and would be moot then as the ANC/EFF wouldn't give a **** what JS declared in their decision making.

Anyway, my point was that JS needs to get out from under Zille's skirts and be his own man if he wants to be taken seriously. This public enemy thing also reeks of the Zille era "Stop Zuma" campaign.
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Btw what do you think of the New UDF idea?
 
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The EFF aren't going to win any elections and rule. If the ANC choose to coalesce with them it would be the ANC's decision. It may well happen if the tide does successfully turn against the CR and Mashatile gets to take over. However, the DA's declaration is moot now and would be moot then as the ANC/EFF wouldn't give a **** what JS declared in their decision making.

Anyway, my point was that JS needs to get out from under Zille's skirts and be his own man if he wants to be taken seriously. This public enemy thing also reeks of the Zille era "Stop Zuma" campaign.
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Thankfully the EFF is too insane to be a reasonable minor partner in a collision and their entire existence is to be anti ANC.
Many EFFers are even more anti ANC than what they are anti white.

Maybe with the RET faction in charge of the ANC and then they can blame everything wrong on Ramaphosa and Mbeki, but I seriously doubt it.
 
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Btw what do you think of the New UDF idea?
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I'll let the other partners in the coalition speak for me (this from a paywalled n24):
Newly elected DA leader John Steenhuisen's "moonshot pact" with other opposition parties to oust the ANC is off to a bumpy start already, with its coalition partners overwhelmingly uninterested in the plan.
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"If we are to make the moonshot pact work, it must be an initiative that is actually led by the leaders of all partner parties.

"We have learned from hard experience that agents or entourages sometimes push agendas that are at odds with the vision of the leader, so this formation must be strictly a leaders-only initiative.

"A secretariat will be provided, but all of the negotiations and discussions must be handled by party leaders themselves.

"There can be no job more important for any opposition leader in South Africa at this time than the mission of the moonshot pact,” Steenhuisen said.

But not everyone is impressed with his plan.

FF Plus MP Corne Mulder said he was already bringing together a broad church of civil society, including political parties, to a new "UDF".

Mulder is the chairperson of the multi-party coalition technical committee. This coalition was brought together to lead the Gauteng metros of Johannesburg, Tshwane, and Ekurhuleni.
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"ActionSA is focused on its own growth and preparing for its inaugural policy conference later this year as well as project 2024," he said.

However, the party's national chairperson, Michael Beaumont, tweeted: "It is good that the DA appears to be dismissing prior ideas of coalition with the ANC and joining the efforts of Action4SA, IFP, Freedom Front Plus and ACDP to establish a rainbow coalition platform. But make no mistake, the DA is joining something that others have started."
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The problem as commentators say is that the DA think themselves self-appointed leaders of this coalition thing that other parties say is nothing new and already in operation.
 
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I'll let the other partners in the coalition speak for me (this from a paywalled n24):




The problem as commentators say is that the DA think themselves self-appointed leaders of this coalition thing that other parties say is nothing new and already in operation.
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The thing is, unless there is a fundamental shift in our politics, the DA would be the "leaders" of the coalition but a very very comfortable margin.
 
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I'll let the other partners in the coalition speak for me (this from a paywalled n24):




The problem as commentators say is that the DA think themselves self-appointed leaders of this coalition thing that other parties say is nothing new and already in operation.
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This is also exactly the reason why their coalitions fail. They think everyone else is just their to support them and follow their lead.
 
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