The SA Politics Thread

[PrimeSteak]

Zuma takes Downer's removal fight to Supreme Court of Appeal

Former president Jacob Zuma has argued that State advocate Billy Downer will not grant him a fair trial and wants him removed.

ewn.co.za

Another appeal... ****ING STOP ALREADY

 

[PrimeSteak]

Looks like paranoia is setting in, they are governing three of the metros in the country with Mashaba's help, but he is obsessed with destroying them and not the ANC?

Well, they ain't wrong...

With ASA's exponential growth, former DA leaders defecting and ASA countering DA's proposals left, right and centre and backing EFF in turn (DA's mortal enemy) along with Mashaba saying that he wants ASA to replace DA as the official opposition in 2024?

It might seem from DA's perspective that he's coming for them first and the ANC later

 

[TheChamp]

Well, they ain't wrong...

With ASA's exponential growth, former DA leaders defecting and ASA countering DA's proposals left, right and centre and backing EFF in turn (DA's mortal enemy) along with Mashaba saying that he wants ASA to replace DA as the official opposition in 2024?

It might seem from DA's perspective that he's coming for them first and the ANC later

Talking about exponential growth for a new party just sounds wrong, but if they do grow to replace the DA that would have nothing to do with destroying them, the DA would have finally succumbed to its anti growth tendencies.

If he was coming for them first and ANC later it would have been the ANC in power, not them. What is confusing the DA is having a coalition partner who dares to question them, they are used to parties like the Freedom Front and the more desperate ones like COPE.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Talking about exponential growth for a new party just sounds wrong, but if they do grow to replace the DA that would have nothing to do with destroying them, the DA would have finally succumbed to its anti growth tendencies.

If he was coming for them first and ANC later it would have been the ANC in power, not them. What is confusing the DA is having a coalition partner who dares to question them, they are used to parties like the Freedom Front and the more desperate ones like COPE.

Yes. Zille said she is content with the DA being a 20% party so it appears they don't seek to grow.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Talking about exponential growth for a new party just sounds wrong,

I couldn't think of a better way of describing them bursting onto the scene last year... I apologise, I guess...?

but if they do grow to replace the DA that would have nothing to do with destroying them, the DA would have finally succumbed to its anti growth tendencies.

I think they updated their policies on some stuff. I remember they had a Poli-con thing, discussing their updated policies?

 

[PrimeSteak]

'Cheap stunt' - ANC blasts Winde for barring Russian embassy from legislature events | News24

The ANC in the Western Cape has lashed out at Premier Alan Winde's decision to bar the Russian Federation's embassy and consulate officials from any of the provincial legislature's functions and events.

www.news24.com

The ANC in the Western Cape has lashed out at Premier Alan Winde's decision to bar the Russian Federation's embassy and consulate officials from all provincial legislature functions and events.

Lekke Alan!

Anyway, memes aside...

ANC head of communications, Sifiso Mtsweni, said the party believed the premier had "crossed the line".

"One thing we will not accept is a racist and repugnant DA government's continued cheap attempts at federalism. They started these cheap stunts by abusing the provincial legislature in draping it in partisan colours of Ukraine, and now the premier makes pronouncements on international relations policy that he has no mandate on," he said.

Nothing says ANC than having no argument and then screaming "racist!!!" at the top of your lungs as an "argument winner"...

Matters of international relations are managed and driven at a national level through the Department of International Relations and Co-operations (Dirco). One provincial minority government cannot override nor define itself outside of the overall governance of our country.

Provincial minority government? What are you implying here Mtsweni? lol

 

[PrimeSteak]

Ok, so I want to chat a bit about Cape Independence cause I find it massively interesting and with the whole controversial LPR/DPR thing in Ukraine... Anyway. (I didn't want to make another separate thread about it, just to have it crash into nothingness in a few hours, I actually want to amicably chat about this. Also related to SA politics.)

FREE the CAPE (Freedom Day March)

Show your support for Cape Independence by signing our Petition and participating in our Free the Cape march.

www.capeindependence.org

There's going to be a march in CPT on 27 April.

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5ea6a2f170b50534c84aecfe/611515c3bf09051a77c53296_CIAG%20Poll%20Results%20Summary%20-%20July%202021.pdf

The poll results are very interesting (Aug 2021, I know, but it's all we have atm).

On the front of referendum support, the support from respondents according to political party is as follows (2.5% Abstained/don't have an opinion):

• 64.8% Support/31.3% Oppose - DA
• 36.8% Support/59% Oppose - ANC
• 63.1% Support/36.9% Oppose - EFF (Surprising, I know)
• 90.6% Support/9.4% Oppose - VF+

On the front of actual independence support, the support from registered voters is as follows, afterwards the support from all respondents (4.2 and 4.6% Abstained/no opinion):

• Registered voters:
  • Support - 46.2%
  • Oppose - 49.60%
• All respondents (sorted by political party):
  • DA - 55.7% Support/37.5% Oppose
  • VF+ - 90.6% Support/9.4% Oppose
  • ANC - 19.4% Support/78.5% Oppose
  • EFF - 20.7% Support/79.3% Oppose

And the last question is the one I find most interesting, "I believe South Africa belongs to everyone who lives here regardless of their race" (sorted by race this time since the question is about race, 3.6% Abstained/no opinion):

Coloured - 84% Agree/11% Disagree
White - 92% Agree/5% Disagree
Black - 54% Agree/47% Disagree

Growth among CI referendum/topic positive parties (VF+, CCC, even the long mocked CIP) in last year's LGE

LGE 2021 Positive for Cape Independence

PRESS RELEASE: CIAG delighted with outcome of Local Government Elections. Notable shift away from centralised government towards devolved power.

www.capeindependence.org

So yeah, with the Private Members Bill of the DA (essentially a bill that gives premiers the right to have a referendum in their respective provinces, regardless of presidential approval) being up for debate some or other time, the ideological chasm deepening between WC and the rest of SA, pro-CI parties growing in WC, I think this topic might get a lot more air time (and even more interesting to see) in the run-up to 2024.

And, discuss!

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502182684365361152

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502182686307323906

ANC will be happy... lol

 

[TheChamp]

'I’m not friends with the DA': Mashaba says he's in politics to serve SA

ActionSA leader Herman Mashaba said the DA should take ownership for its own problems and electoral decline.

ewn.co.za

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502221824075182080

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502247946833866753

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502216697436119043

E p i c

 

[PrimeSteak]

'I’m not friends with the DA': Mashaba says he's in politics to serve SA

ActionSA leader Herman Mashaba said the DA should take ownership for its own problems and electoral decline.

ewn.co.za

Hasn't he said this from the beginning?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502931397987688451

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502931397987688451

Are the opposition leaders he's referring to part of the "Gauteng" coalitions?
And sure they can discuss, but what can they really do about these things if not in "national government" (Cabinet/Presidency where they could actually do things)?

 

[TheChamp]

Are the opposition leaders he's referring to part of the "Gauteng" coalitions?
And sure they can discuss, but what can they really do about these things if not in government?

They are in government?

 

[Priapus]

They are in government?

They are?

 

[PrimeSteak]

They are in government?

I mean that they can't really do anything other than be in Parliament and oppose proposals of the ANC on a national scale (although it would be nice if they could do more). Since the UDM themselves say that the gov has muzzled the opposition which is true.
They aren't in Cabinet or the presidency, so yeah they can oppose stuff and drum up support, but atm on a national scale they can only really plan for 2024 and hope SA finally comes to its senses.

I'll make the og post clearer.

 

[TheChamp]

Scrap redundant deputy president position and overhaul the constitution, says ANC discussion paper

The discussion paper itself starts by dismissing the notion that one of the solutions to the current paralysis of the ANC is having a mix of young and old leaders.

www.iol.co.za

 

[PrimeSteak]

Scrap redundant deputy president position and overhaul the constitution, says ANC discussion paper

The discussion paper itself starts by dismissing the notion that one of the solutions to the current paralysis of the ANC is having a mix of young and old leaders.

www.iol.co.za

“We need to reconfigure our cabinet model to get rid of redundancies such as the position of Deputy President which was created for De Klerk. We could explore the possibility of introducing a Prime Minister system with a directly elected President. Parliament could be involved in the appointment of Cabinet through some form of oversight like confirmations,”

Now, this I can get behind. Separating the president's power (devolving power) and removing the mostly pointless position of the Deputy President. This system would work better than our current one which is "President has all the power and Parliament is a mere suggestion/formality". I know India has this type of system as well.

The discussion paper concludes by recommending issues for a way forward and that’s where the issue of overhauling the constitution came up.

“A renewal committee proposed in the January the 8th Statement is a step in the right direction ... The next national conference should give the new NEC leadership the mandate to remake both the state and the ANC ... We should overhaul our country to establish a 2nd Republic. A referendum on the new Constitution may be necessary. This referendum will mobilise our people and ANC structures. Parliamentary route for constitutional reforms is elitist.”

That's cool. Asking the people if the Constitution should be changed is cool and very democratic.

But the changes to the constitution to create the 2nd Republic should be more than devolving power from the President and making your system more parliamentary and fair, it should have changes that could benefit our country even more? More social freedoms? A move to federalism? A shift to a more free-market approach yet with some social safeguards?

So many questions, yet to be answered.

It was also stressed that it won’t work, in the next elections, for the ANC to go back to South Africans with tactical promises like job creation and fighting corruption because: “Our people no longer trust us. We have failed them in many ways. Instead, we should change tack and sell to South Africans a new vision for the future of our country – a vision of the 2nd Republic that is suggested in this paper.”

Are the ANC finally becoming self-aware? Are they realising that the people are gatvol? I reckon the recent LGE gave them a moerse fright if they're considering all of this.

P.S I reckon the Rama faction would be at the front of the "new republic" thing, RET will strongly oppose most likely...

P.P.S This is IOL, so I'll take it with a bit of salt tho. Although the proposals do sound cool.

 

[Temujin]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503013548221513732

 

[sefeddt]

Someone likened the ANC to a drug user with a needle in his arm while making promises they will get better.