ToxicBunny
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Good point actually, some of the language she uses does indicate an alignment with Maimane more than possibly ActionSA...
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Good point actually, some of the language she uses does indicate an alignment with Maimane more than possibly ActionSA...
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Although ActionSA and the EFF are at complete opposite poles when it comes to the topic of immigrants and foreign owned business etc. ActionSA has xenophobic tendencies while the EFF wants to unite Africa and do away with colonial borders altogether. The xenophobia of ActionSA is their biggest selling point in some communities
ToxicBunny
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I am not sure about ActionSA and the EFF being at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in relation to foreigners and immigration... The EFF has no stance other than the one at any specific point might gain them the most political mileage.
ActionSA's stance on immigration and foreigners is possibly a bit strong for my liking, but it doesn't necessarily equate to anything like the Dudula nonsense.
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ActionSA, EFF square off over immigration
Herman Mashaba's ActionSA squared off with the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) over its leader Julius Malema's remarks seemingly encouraging undocumented migrants to enter the country. On Monday, Mashaba announced in a statement that he wrote to National Assembly Speaker Thandi Modise, stating...
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Not sure where you get the idea of Herman loving the EFF?
While I can't find an actual immigration policy document it is reported as being EFF policy, e.g.
United States of Africa? Dali Mpofu defends EFF border policy
His comments sparked further debate, with some backing Mpofu and others claiming the comparison was flawed.
www.timeslive.co.za
EFF: EFF statement on immigration laws that relate to all Africans in the diaspora, in light of the Mos Def mistreatment by Home Affairs
The Economic Freedom Fighters condemns South Africa’s Home Affairs department’s reactionary harassment, condemnation and arrest of Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) on the basis of immigration papers. The EFF condemns Home Affairs reactionary policies, conduct and actions that seek to criminalize and...
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Even going back to 2016
Scrap immigration laws for Africans - EFF | News24
The EFF wants Africans scattered around the world to be exempt from South Africa’s immigration laws, starting with US musician Mos Def.
www.news24.com
And far from gaining them the most political mileage it may have cost them in the recent local elections:
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JuliusSeizure
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Mbali's departure is a big loss for the DA but hardly surprising because she has not been as vocal in pushing the party lately.
She was one of the few genuine people in the DA and SA politics, always holding her leaders to account and scrutiny be it Zille, Maimane or Steenhuisen.
Her progress to national parliament was almost definitely not made possible due to a fallout she had with Zille circa 2014.
Had it not been for that, she would have been one of the prominent DA leaders by now.
She was one of the few genuine people in the DA and SA politics, always holding her leaders to account and scrutiny be it Zille, Maimane or Steenhuisen.
Her progress to national parliament was almost definitely not made possible due to a fallout she had with Zille circa 2014.
Had it not been for that, she would have been one of the prominent DA leaders by now.
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ActionSA, EFF square off over immigration
Herman Mashaba's ActionSA squared off with the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) over its leader Julius Malema's remarks seemingly encouraging undocumented migrants to enter the country. On Monday, Mashaba announced in a statement that he wrote to National Assembly Speaker Thandi Modise, stating...
Not sure where you get the idea of Herman loving the EFF?
While I can't find an actual immigration policy document it is reported as being EFF policy, e.g.
United States of Africa? Dali Mpofu defends EFF border policy
His comments sparked further debate, with some backing Mpofu and others claiming the comparison was flawed.EFF: EFF statement on immigration laws that relate to all Africans in the diaspora, in light of the Mos Def mistreatment by Home Affairs
The Economic Freedom Fighters condemns South Africa’s Home Affairs department’s reactionary harassment, condemnation and arrest of Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) on the basis of immigration papers. The EFF condemns Home Affairs reactionary policies, conduct and actions that seek to criminalize and...
Even going back to 2016
Scrap immigration laws for Africans - EFF | News24
The EFF wants Africans scattered around the world to be exempt from South Africa’s immigration laws, starting with US musician Mos Def.
And far from gaining them the most political mileage it may have cost them in the recent local elections:
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EFF are not the only ones who have been hypocritical on this issue.
The DA were dancing to Mashaba's tune in 2019 and prior and are now calling him out for xenophobia with support from their media plant Gareth Van Onselen.
Agent67
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I think it's pretty cool to try to involve independent candidates on national and provincial level, removing the dependency on party politics a bit.
Agent67
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The EFF has recently ditched that in a typical EFF flip-flop.
They're trying to copy ASA's stance over immigration by acting like idiots and interrogating businesses over how many foreigners they employ. In other words, a shite copycat move.
ActionSA is selling the "we need secure borders and we need to deport the illegals" point. Promoting strong borders/immigration laws is not automatically xenophobia.
Mashaba has in the past said that he has no problem at all with legal foreigners/immigrants, his problem lies with illegals and the gov basically leaving the country's borders open along with severe corruption and immigration fraud at Home Affairs.
Many South Africans share Mashaba's sentiment. Of course Dudula is stupid, it's a watered-down pogrom. Even Mashaba himself along with others has condemned Dudula.
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Agent67
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WATCH | 'I fear f****l' – Ramaphosa tells Malema why he did not act against police minister | News24
President Cyril Ramaphosa answered questions in the National Assembly on South Africa's response to the Ukraine-Russia conflict, the economy and crime.
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The edge, lol.
TheChamp
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Juju must still be seething after the Judge Zondo appointment, he is definitely getting restless.
ToxicBunny
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He's getting a bit desperate.
TheChamp
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If Cyril were to fire Cele tomorrow Juju would be in KZN on Saturday having tea with him, and the Fighters would see nothing contradictory, just as it happened with Zuma.
JuliusSeizure
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I think EFF have noticed that Asa could be a serious threat to them in the long run.
A big reason EFF grew so massively over the last ten or so years is because there was no real party that appealed to angry youth apart from them. Asa are changing that and I've seen that they now have youth wings at most of the Universities.
JuliusSeizure
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Juju is prepared to do anything to get to the Presidency apart from possibly trying to join the DA.
I definitely think that CR has enough info on him by now to end his political career but if there's one thing about Juju, he is a smart politician in his own way so it gets complicated as he definitely has dirt on a lot of ANC members.
TEXTILE GUY
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Ramaphosa: UN Security Council needs to be completely overhauled
He said the international body should be more representative and criticised it for not having a single African country as a permanent member.
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Agent67
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I think everyone noticed they are a serious threat.
As of now, ActionSA speaks to most South Africans from all walks of life, all races (that's a good thing). We saw them take both ANC and DA vote share in the LGE last year.
They have a mix of typical DA and other policies with a new spin on things like the immigration thing. They managed to pull both former ANC (Khoza, that I know of) and DA members (Baloyi, Trollip, Moodey, Beaumont).
By the looks of their Twitter, they're gaining a lot of ground in provinces like North West, Limpopo and Mpumalanga (typically rural provinces).
They also have the advantage of being a new party, with no stigmas or prejudices that can be used against them like with the ANC, DA or EFF.
I got to say they are good at misleading angry youth that doesn't know any better.
Serious? Links?
TheChamp
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Tshwane's Hannes Coetzee ditches the DA for ActionSA
ActionSA on Thursday afternoon announced Hannes Coetzee has jumped ship and will be contesting the May by-elections under the green banner.
ewn.co.za
Agent67
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I saw this earlier today on ASA Twitter.Tshwane's Hannes Coetzee ditches the DA for ActionSA
ActionSA on Thursday afternoon announced Hannes Coetzee has jumped ship and will be contesting the May by-elections under the green banner.
Was the ward DA-controlled via him? If so, then he could possibly win the by-election in his ward for an extra ASA seat in Pretoria?
Agent67
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Maimane on Ntuli's exit: DA failing to encapsulate vision of all S.Africans
The DA's former federal leader said Ntuli's resignation came as no surprise and was a consequence of the party's lack of ambition to address the economic exclusion.
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Lol, Maimane trying to pull the race card again, like he constantly did when he was DA leader.
Do you realise by taking that stance of being "colour blind", the DA doesn't make the same mistakes the NP or ANC did by only focusing on one race? They focus on everyone?
Take a gander at their proposed replacement for BEE, surely if they DGAF about black South Africans, they would've done everything possible to exclude them from the policy instead of including them along with everyone else? That replacement states to help ALL of the poor and vulnerable, regardless of race or gender.
I've always got the feeling this guy is ANC-lite. Although I like his independent candidate movement thing, I don't really care for him that much.
Read this thread but I still don’t understand why Dudula is branded Xenophobic or radical. As far as I know(might be limited), they are a group of young people who started non violent protests against illegal immigration. They are usually accompanied by cops when they meet. As it stands, is there any evidence to suggest they are violent people?
Anyway the problem that I observed with South African politics is that no one wants to listen to people they already prejudiced so it’s almost impossible to change anyone’s mind politically. Blacks don’t want to hear Afriforum and VF+ side of things. Whites don’t want to listen to EFF etc. It’s the same problem that resulted in apartheid taking this long to end. Same reason why people can’t see SA beyond ANC.
Maybe people need to sit down and ask themselves what this Dudula people are complaining about and what steps have they taken before resorting to matching. Alternatively you brand them as thugs and they keep on growing until they also see you as the enemy.
Anyway the problem that I observed with South African politics is that no one wants to listen to people they already prejudiced so it’s almost impossible to change anyone’s mind politically. Blacks don’t want to hear Afriforum and VF+ side of things. Whites don’t want to listen to EFF etc. It’s the same problem that resulted in apartheid taking this long to end. Same reason why people can’t see SA beyond ANC.
Maybe people need to sit down and ask themselves what this Dudula people are complaining about and what steps have they taken before resorting to matching. Alternatively you brand them as thugs and they keep on growing until they also see you as the enemy.
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