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ToxicBunny said:
I very much doubt Trollip is a blow for the DA....
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He recruited a lot for them in EC and helped the party grow there. He was definitely the most popular DA leader to have come from EC.

A lot of those people would have voted for DA last year because his allegiance was thought to still be with the DA. He resigned but still said he supported the party AFAIK.

There may well be a noticeable swing from DA to Action SA in EC come 2024.

It's also important to now know that there are now a strong group of swing voters in SA.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
The whole Bongani vs DA thing is comical and Zille is not the only DA member who has taken him on. There are several others but he only really bothered to respond to Zille.

Reminds me of WWE when one guy "sells out" the group and they then gang up on him like a pack of dogs. Thats what the DA members together with their agents in the media are doing to Bongani.
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Agreed, they're both acting childish.

Funnily enough, Zille doesn't seem to care much about Trollip:

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Zille: Athol Trollip can join whatever party he likes

It's widely expected that founder and president of ActionSA, Herman Mashaba, will announce former DA federal chair, Athol Trollip, as his latest recruit.
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Zille said that her party was not concerned: "Athol hasn't been a member of the DA for a long time. He can join whatever party he likes. Every South African has a choice to make and he's made his choice. That's fine."
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JuliusSeizure said:
He recruited a lot for them in EC and helped the party grow there. He was definitely the most popular DA leader to have come from EC.

A lot of those people would have voted for DA last year because his allegiance was thought to still be with the DA. He resigned but still said he supported the party AFAIK.

There may well be a noticeable swing from DA to Action SA in EC come 2024.
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There may be, yes... but you are still ascribing "cult" like attributes to things...

Athol Trollip was a DA member, and he would have recruited for the DA not for Athol Trollip.
 
PrimeSteak said:
Funnily enough, Zille doesn't seem to care much about Trollip:
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They were opponents from their DA days. They contested each other for leadership.

Oddly enough had Trollip become Fed Ex leader in 2019, Action SA may have not existed. Mashaba more or less did say he would not have left if Trollip won.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I very much doubt Trollip is a blow for the DA....

He had left the party already, so any people who would have "followed" him had already become disillusioned with the DA before this.
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Agreed, but he used to be popular in EC/PE during his time in DA. So maybe the people who supported him might switch to ASA?
ToxicBunny said:
Also, from my point of view, ActionSA has a very big problem to solve before they will be a credible option and that is the EFF "connection". Until that is completely excised I will not vote for them.
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Same. But if I remember correctly, I read somewhere a while ago that Mashaba said that he's willing to work with EFF in local government structures but not in provincial/Parliament.
 
PrimeSteak said:
Agreed, but he used to be popular in EC/PE during his time in DA. So maybe the people who supported him might switch to ASA?

Same. But if I remember correctly, Mashaba said once that he's willing to work with EFF in local government structures but not in provincial/Parliament.
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For me it makes zero difference. He's prepared to work with the EFF and that for me is just a non-starter at any level.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see ActionSA work with the EFF at the provinicial/national level if they ever do get some seats at that level.
 
PrimeSteak said:
Same. But if I remember correctly, I read somewhere a while ago that Mashaba said that he's willing to work with EFF in local government structures but not in provincial/Parliament.
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I think DA propagandists also spin his association with EFF for their own reasons and to discredit ASA but that's not to say ASA does not have flaws.

ASA are willing to work with EFF AFAIK but that's not to say that their relationship with them is good, it is not and Mashaba has also said publically before that his values are not compatible with Mashaba and after the last election did say that they were not willing to work with the EFF at the time due to the demands that EFF made.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I very much doubt Trollip is a blow for the DA....

He had left the party already, so any people who would have "followed" him had already become disillusioned with the DA before this.

He may be a blow for the DA in the long run if he can "fix" the cult following aspect of ActionSA which seems to revolve around Mashaba... ActionSA needs to be a party with a diverse talent pool that doesn't identify as being a single person for it to survive. Also, from my point of view, ActionSA has a very big problem to solve before they will be a credible option and that is the EFF "connection". Until that is completely excised I will not vote for them.
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Any white person who can speak an African language will always be an asset to any party, especially a party like DA, that's why they are doing well in Umngeni. Trollip was a massive factor in the DA getting a decent following in NMB, unlike people like Bongani, Trollip has a constituency, he is like a Mashaba of the party in NMB.

I think his departure is going to be felt in the DA, the blow will mostly be cushioned by the fact that local elections are still way off, it won't really be felt in provincial elections since the DA will expectedly not be a threat in the Eastern Cape.
 
TheChamp said:
I wonder how long that preacher from Dobsonville can hold out for.
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He should not join ASA or its likely to end up ending the same way he left DA.

ASA are founded on conservative liberal values and they own that. MM is centre-left like Obama. The two are not really compatible.
 
JuliusSeizure said:
ASA are founded on conservative liberal values and they own that.
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They don't really strike me as right-wing, more centrist or perhaps a sliver centre-right?
JuliusSeizure said:
MM is centre-left like Obama. The two are not really compatible.
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Nah, he wouldn't. He sees himself as a Mandela-type. Regardless of political belief, he won't work in ASA.
 
TheChamp said:
Any white person who can speak an African language will always be an asset to any party, especially a party like DA, that's why they are doing well in Umngeni. Trollip was a massive factor in the DA getting a decent following in NMB, unlike people like Bongani, Trollip has a constituency, he is like a Mashaba of the party in NMB.

I think his departure is going to be felt in the DA, the blow will mostly be cushioned by the fact that local elections are still way off, it won't really be felt in provincial elections since the DA will expectedly not be a threat in the Eastern Cape.
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Possibly yes.

And yes, I'm making assumptions, but I would have thought Athol Trollip would try and avoid the cult status aspect and recruit for the DA rather than for Athol Trollip. He strikes me as a relatively mature politician who would try to avoid that cult following.
 
All ANC salaries have apparently just been paid... except, no-one really knows where the money came from:
 
JuliusSeizure said:
Yes, conservative liberals are more centre-right.
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Well, IMO centre-right in SA's context might be dead centre or a bit to the right honestly. Since SA politics hover around moderate to left-leaning politics...
JuliusSeizure said:
Mashaba is definitely centre-right, he even admits he loves Trump.
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Ok? Maybe I'm too apathetic about it, cause IDGAF about the Americans and their garbage politics (P.S they're all right-wingers, yet they scream at each other for being commies and fascists, lol)
 
PrimeSteak said:
They probably used governmental/public funds as usual
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But notice.... as soon as the ANC needs money CIT hiests pick up as if by magic..... they never stopped doing their original kind of fund raising.
 
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