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wingnut771 said:
Was it even possible to refuse the votes from EFF before the coalition was formed?
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Not exactly, they presented their candidates and they got the majority, they had no say in the EFF voting for them, the EFF had their own scores to settle and spitting the ANC was convenient at the time.
 
TheChamp said:
Who told you this? The only reason I got to know of Beaumont and his DA links was when I learnt he is the guy whose wife was stolen by Steenhuisen, besides that he wasn't really a well known DA guy.
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You did.

TheChamp said:
But why? the best DA people went there, I think we all know that the movement of DA members towards that direction is not yet done, it could have been delayed if they held on to the metros but since that is unraveling...
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TheChamp said:
Not exactly, they presented their candidates and they got the majority, they had no say in the EFF voting for them, the EFF had their own scores to settle and spitting the ANC was convenient at the time.
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My point is the candidates only won because the EFF voted for them. Everyone knows the EFF vote just to disrupt. It's what they do. Like I said right in the beginning, the candidates should have stayed in the opposition if there is any reliance on the EFF. Are the candidates allowed to refuse the position after the won it?
 
TheChamp said:
I don't see the scandal, I think ActionSA did mention that they were of the view that the position should go to the IFP, I wasn't aware that it was a secret or something unknown. Nowhere did I see anything about anyone claiming the IFP asked for the position so I am not really sure what exactly does Schreiber think he has exposed.
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It's more proof that ASA instigated this speaker fiasco, conveniently after Da Gama's ousting. No one else made a peep about "power-sharing" until ASA and Beaumont started screaming about it.

I stick to my stance that if any of the parties had such a problem with the DA occupying Mayor, Speaker and Chief Whip, why didn't they say/do anything during negotiations? And when asked they come up with the "but no, DA was already voted in as Speaker", etc...
 
wingnut771 said:
My point is the candidates only won because the EFF voted for them. Everyone knows the EFF vote just to disrupt. It's what they do. Like I said right in the beginning, the candidates should have stayed in the opposition if there is any reliance on the EFF. Are the candidates allowed to refuse the position after the won it?
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Yes, but it's power, it's hard to say no. There was also the idea that their could make it work.
 
wingnut771 said:
My point is the candidates only won because the EFF voted for them. Everyone knows the EFF vote just to disrupt. It's what they do. Like I said right in the beginning, the candidates should have stayed in the opposition if there is any reliance on the EFF. Are the candidates allowed to refuse the position after the won it?
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Mashaba is the one who keeps cozying up to the EFF, when he was mayor the EFF held sway in the transport department.

https://www.news24.com/News24/firm-...-contract-paid-malema-eff-slush-fund-20181129

Roll on 2022, Mashaba is still trying to get them in.
 
ToxicBunny said:
So I agree that a coalition will see some shifting and changing over time, but doing so less than 12 months after the start and before any changes in governance and service delivery can be solidified is suspect in the extreme.
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Agreed.

The problem is, let's say the DA relented. And handed over Speaker to IFP.
  1. Gayton would've gone over to ANC anyway, was a matter of time tbh.
  2. It would've opened the door to perpetual musical chairs over positions to keep the coalitions together, contravening the agreement constantly, for the sake of "power-sharing" and "co-governance".
ToxicBunny said:
Granted this bollocks between ASA and the DA is a bit of a sideshow in my opinion.
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The usual firefighting but with a **** ton of press this time.

P.S Notice how every time DA says no to ASA, you hear "ARROGANT DA", "DA ONLY CARE ABOUT WC", [insert Zille conspiracy here]" and so on...
ToxicBunny said:
Gayton was going to fsck the coalition over regardless in my opinion.
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Exactly. He was already in talks with ANC. Tbh I wondered how long PA would be part of the Gauteng UF coalitions when they left in WC earlier this year.
 
Inertia said:
Notice the difference. While ASA moans and just creates more ill will towards coalitions, the DA actually gets things done. I assume they are paying for this litigation from their own pocket?
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I'd hardly call running to the courts getting things done. The DA and their partners lack the numbers. Even if they do win it'll just mean the ANC and their puppet will follow due process and remove Mpho within a week. If the DA have the numbers let them remove Colleen and the new mayor by monc.
 
sefeddt said:
Mashaba is the one who keeps cozying up to the EFF, when he was mayor the EFF held sway in the transport department.

https://www.news24.com/News24/firm-...-contract-paid-malema-eff-slush-fund-20181129

Roll on 2022, Mashaba is still trying to get them in.
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Well, not like the DA had a problem with governing on the EFF's support, they actually were very keen looking at how disappointed they are now. The whole point was getting rid of the ANC and if the EFF offered their support in that regard, no one would have said no.
 
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