The SA Politics Thread

[PrimeSteak]

It must be desperate times if they are going to make a big song and dance about a mere councillorbut I guess for a change it feels good to have someone walking towards them than away from them.

If ASA can have surprise reveals, then DA can too.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

It does not matter now, Rodgers is not going to admit anything even if it is true, Mncwango should just move on but unfortunately in such instances everyone will want to have a last word so this is going to go on for a while, I feel it will be more damaging for the DA as a brand but they usually don't have the maturity to just let things go, especially when Zille is involved.

Yes, they may even summon the media plant Van Onselen to get involved.

 

[Priapus]

uMngeni will be crucial for DA support in KZN. If Pappas keeps doing well, we just might see that the DA's support goes up in KZN.

Maybe. I am not so sure though.

 

[TheChamp]

I'm a DA voter and I have no idea who this Zwakele person is. DA voters vote for good governance, not for personalities.

His name probably does not really roll off your tongue easy, that could also contribute to you not knowing him. And I would put it to you that you are being very dishonest, the party as a brand is obviously an important factor but the individuals in a party are just as important and do sway the way in which voters perceive the party.

 

[PrimeSteak]

I will concede to being wrong if that happens but judging by the way things are going, I don't see it happening.

I still stand by my stance on this:

If the DA is truly spiralling to their deaths, why are they winning wards off ANC/PA?
Why are they improving vote share in most of the wards they successfully defend?
Why are they polling so well in opinion polls rn (Keep in mind, under Dominee Mmusi the DA polled between 13 - 21% in 2017 - 2019, whereas the DA is now polling 25% two whole years before 2024).

 

[wingnut771]

His name probably does not really roll off your tongue easy, that could also contribute to you not knowing him. And I would put it to you that you are being very dishonest, the party as a brand is obviously an important factor but the individuals in a party are just as important and do sway the way in which voters perceive the party.

I disagree. Clearly you're not a DA voter so you wouldn't understand.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Maybe. I am not so sure though.

They have to start somewhere?

I mean it's thanks to their performance in CPT that they could take WC in 2009. So it's not impossible that uMngeni could get the DA's numbers up with how Pappas is coming in clutch over there.

 

[TheChamp]

Being a factor in one of the biggest will boost the chances of any party wanting to be a force in the politics of the country, so KZN is a very important province, I am sure the DA wishes they were having this problem in a different province like Mpumalanga or North West. A time like this is really not a good time to be dealing with such problems.

 

[PrimeSteak]

People will defend the DA's polling but if I recall it predicted they would get an all time high under Maimane and we know how that went.

But the recent polls weren't DA polls?

Unless SRF is part of the DA now somehow?

 

[PrimeSteak]

But to be fair, the DA need to do all they can to win voters - as does any party (Except the ANC, they don't care about such things).

IMO if the DA keeps on the course they're going (more hands-on with stuff (protests, etc), focusing more on bread-and-butter issues, delivering services via the UF coalitions and so on), they should improve their vote share.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1579704432341975040

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Apparently Mazzone's new role as "security advisor" in the DA is just to keep her in a job rather than have her have meaningful change as she was fired from being chief whip. Why did the DA just not release her altogether instead of wasting money to fund the salary of someone redundant?

 

[TheChamp]

I disagree. Clearly you're not a DA voter so you wouldn't understand.

I don't need to be a voter, I know every supporter thinks his party is special but they are mostly the same, there's a good reason why the support of the party goes up or down under different leaders and provincial and municipal support does the same, you want to look me in the eye and tell someone like Pappas is not a brand within on his own?

Even Zille who annoys me greatly was a brand, if people just voted for the party we won't be able to explain why Tony's DA was such a damp squib compared to Zille and Maimane's DA.

But disagreeing is fine, nothing wrong with seeing things differently.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Being a factor in one of the biggest will boost the chances of any party wanting to be a force in the politics of the country, so KZN is a very important province, I am sure the DA wishes they were having this problem in a different province like Mpumalanga or North West. A time like this is really not a good time to be dealing with such problems.

Yeah.

The key to the elections will be WC, GP and KZN.
WC is already locked down for the UF, in GP the ANC will lose their majority but an ANC/EFF coalition seems highly likely unless the UF pushes them down enough, and the same goes for KZN but going by recent results, the IFP is hammering the ANC in KZN.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Apparently Mazzone's new role as "security advisor" in the DA is just to keep her in a job rather than have her have meaningful change as she was fired from being chief whip. Why did the DA just not release her altogether instead of wasting money to fund the salary of someone redundant?

She's part of Parly's intelligence committee atm if I remember correctly.

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1579473008779218944

 

[Priapus]

His name probably does not really roll off your tongue easy, that could also contribute to you not knowing him. And I would put it to you that you are being very dishonest, the party as a brand is obviously an important factor but the individuals in a party are just as important and do sway the way in which voters perceive the party.

Whole hearty, disagree. I don't care for individuals inside a party. I care that a party governance well and delivers well. I still voted for the party when Musi was brought in, I don't care much for the guy and he did a terrible job. But the DA in my view, was still the best party to vote for - thus, they got my vote.

 

[TheChamp]

If ASA can have surprise reveals, then DA can too.

Sure, and I can call them desperate if I feel they are, the joys of living in a free country.

 

[TheChamp]

Whole hearty, disagree. I don't care for individuals inside a party. I care that a party governance well and delivers well. I still voted for the party when Musi was brought in, I don't care much for the guy and he did a terrible job. But the DA in my view, was still the best party to vote for - thus, they got my vote.

That's just you, right? Do you think all the DA voters are like you or would you admit some do care for individuals?

 

[Priapus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1579473008779218944

What's the point of such a poll? Results will be meaningless. Right now, we have no choice but to have coalitions, due to no party getting a majority at local levels.