The SA Politics Thread

[ToxicBunny]

What did the journalists do?

Well the journalist wrote the facts and it upset Jacob... And downer is the prosecutor in his corruption trial so jacob wants him gone.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Really? The DA is Trump right-wing? How are they even close to those crazies in the US?

Zille definitely is.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

If the people say they must go with ANC, he's leaving.

If they go to the ANC, it will be a chance for the likes of Beaumont and co to earn some money temporarily but once the partnership ends (and it will), so to will that. It really will be suicide for the party if that happens.

They should rather play the long game and stick to being an opposition even if it means not going into coalition with the DA.

 

[Agent67]

If they go to the ANC, it will be a chance for the likes of Beaumont and co to earn some money temporarily but once the partnership ends (and it will), so to will that. It really will be suicide for the party if that happens.

Yup, NNP syndrome.

 

[TheChamp]

/suspicion_time
/equips tin foil hat

I think Mashaba might be looking for ways out. I mean he could have done the same last year when ASA also had a poll about coalitions when the LGEs were going on. And said if the people say ANC, he'll resign.

Something is off behind the scenes I think.

He is not going anywhere, the reality of how politics work is dawning fast fast on him, the Oppenheimers money is finished and the party needs money, he will work with the ANC if that will bring him the relief he needs.

They will find a reasonable explanation.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

He is not going anywhere, the reality of how politics work is dawning fast fast on him, the Oppenheimers money is finished and the party needs money, he will work with the ANC if that will bring him the relief he needs.

That is a temporary solution but it's suicide in the long-run.

If they are smart, they should weather the storm now with the long haul in mind. They can build themselves into solid opposition.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1579823512633892864

 

[Nom Chompsky]

Wayne Sussman gave a preview of tomorrow's by-elections. Didn't realise so many ANC bigwigs had visited Lambert's Bay - all for a by-election they will almost surely lose.

What's at play ahead of the local by-elections?

Elections analyst Wayne Sussman speaks to Lester Kiewit about by elections happening in parts of the country.

www.capetalk.co.za

 

[JuliusSeizure]

ActionSA lays criminal complaint against KZN DA for allegedly bribing councillor

Party leader Herman Mashaba said councillor Shandy Singh was offered a position in the KZN legislature by the DA's top brass in exchange for his defection to the party.

ewn.co.za

 

[TheChamp]

ActionSA lays criminal complaint against KZN DA for allegedly bribing councillor

Party leader Herman Mashaba said councillor Shandy Singh was offered a position in the KZN legislature by the DA's top brass in exchange for his defection to the party.

ewn.co.za

“That is putting the councillor in a very difficult situation. I told the caucus leader [on Monday] that he is in a predicament because the money is good,” Mashaba said.

If he is having a predicament then he is not worth having, is he going to have this predicament every time someone offers him a position?

Just cut him loose already.

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

December is definitely the final battle for the ANC.

I just can't shake the feeling we're gonna see an NP/CP type thing happen after the conference. Perhaps another COPE?

What's happening in December?

 

[wingnut771]

What's happening in December?

ANC conference. Although they can't afford it so who knows if it will even happen:

 

[TheChamp]

The RET faction, whether they win or lose in December will still have their KZN, with all their municipalities to dispense patronage and to loot from, why would they leave all that behind to go form another party?

I honestly don't understand @PrimeSteak logic around that, it doesn't make sense to me. Unless if he meant Cyril and them will lose then form another party?

 

[ToxicBunny]

The RET faction, whether they win or lose in December will still have their KZN, with all their municipalities to dispense patronage and to loot from, why would they leave all that behind to go form another party?

I honestly don't understand @PrimeSteak logic around that but it doesn't make sense to me. Unless if he meant Cyril and them will lose then form another party?

It's a bit of a pity for the RET faction that they've completely bankrupt the golden goose that was ethekwini...

 

[wingnut771]

It's a bit of a pity for the RET faction that they've completely bankrupt the golden goose that was ethekwini...

The residents should fire the politicians, then use the money that was allocated to their salaries to fix everything.

 

[ShaunSA]

It's a bit of a pity for the RET faction that they've completely bankrupt the golden goose that was ethekwini...

Not only Ethekweni

 

[Agent67]

What's happening in December?

ANC elective conference.

 

[TheChamp]

It's a bit of a pity for the RET faction that they've completely bankrupt the golden goose that was ethekwini...

Yes, they could have been in a much better position with a functional eThekwini.

 

[Agent67]

I honestly don't understand @PrimeSteak logic around that but it doesn't make sense to me. Unless if he meant Cyril and them will lose then form another party?

It'll go either way.

If RET loses, they can split off/merge with ATM and if they get enough electoral support, coalesce with the ANC remainder to get back in.
If Rama loses, it'll be like the formation of COPE really.

You can see the cracks, the infighting which is a shitton worse than before, you see everyone and their second-hand grandma being nominated, they can't govern (not even themselves at their conferences), all the signs are there for a potential split. There were even talks of a split in 2017 already.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how it'll end in another kumbaya/"unity and renewal" settlement like in 2017...

The RET faction, whether they win or lose in December will still have their KZN, with all their municipalities to dispense patronage and to loot from, why would they leave all that behind to go form another party?

Until 2024, that is...

 

[TheChamp]

It'll go either way.

If RET loses, they can split off/merge with ATM and if they get enough electoral support, coalesce with the ANC remainder to get back in.
If Rama loses, it'll be like the formation of COPE really.

You can see the cracks, the infighting which is a shitton worse than before, you see everyone and their second-hand grandma being nominated, they can't govern (not even themselves at their conferences), all the signs are there for a potential split. There were even talks of a split in 2017 already.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how it'll end in another kumbaya/"unity and renewal" settlement like in 2017...

Until 2024, that is...

My reasoning is very simple, they own KZN, whatever happens in December is not going to affect that, they will still control the budget of the province as well as the budget of the various municipalities, now tell me, under those circumstances why would they leave?

Leaving means surrendering all that to the CR faction, then going to form some alliance with ATM or whoever, what will they eat?

It doesn't have to end up as a happy ever after, as long as there is still a base for the RET to build from, to derive income from, that's all they need.

Maybe if you said there could be a split after 2024 if the ANC loses power in some provinces, then it would make sense, because there would be nothing to hang around for if KZN is no longer in the RET's hands.