The SA Politics Thread

[TheChamp]

Disagree. But before we get into it, why don't you start by telling us what your definition of a healthy party is.

I have just stated the definition in the very post you quoted, but just to expand on that, a healthy party is a relevant party, for an example this very thread cannot go 3 posts without someone mentioning ActionSA or Mashaba, how often do you see the UDM being mentioned?

A healthy party is a visible one, ActionSA has a brand that is very visible in many parts of the country.

A healthy party is a party that is able to attract people, especially people who brings something to the table like all the ex DA leaders they have been attracting, when last did any well know political figure move to COPE, UDM, PAC or any of those parties, yes you don't remember because that's what you can describe as dead parties, not necessarily because they have ceased to exist, but simply because they can be likened to someone who has been in a coma for, yes they are alive but what's the point?

A healthy party is a party that is able to grow, they have been launching their branches all over the country.

It's not exhaustive but that's just some of the measures I use.

 

[Agent67]

I wouldn't say "ASA DEAD" just yet. But you can clearly see the ASA plane is starting to judder in the air already.

Would be funny if the poll says they should work with ANC, but Mashaba doesn't resign...

 

[TheChamp]

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That's the governing party in case you have forgotten, you guys need to learn to remove your emotions from these things. Whatever happens in 2024 you can bet your last weakened Rand that the ANC will still be a big factor in our politics.

 

[Agent67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580079312467681280

 

[TheChamp]

I wouldn't say "ASA DEAD" just yet. But you can clearly see the ASA plane is starting to judder in the air already.

Would be ironic if the poll says they should work with ANC, but Mashaba doesn't resign...

And that's very normal for a new party, that's what I said when everyone was excited about them, they are still going to have plenty of challenges but they seem to be weathering the storm just fine.

 

[wingnut771]

I have just stated the definition in the very post you quoted, but just to expand on that, a healthy party is a relevant party, for an example this very thread cannot go 3 posts without someone mentioning ActionSA or Mashaba, how often do you see the UDM being mentioned?

A healthy party is a visible one, ActionSA has a brand that is very visible in many parts of the country.

A healthy party is a party that is able to attract people, especially people who brings something to the table like all the ex DA leaders they have been attracting, when last did any well know political figure move to COPE, UDM, PAC or any of those parties, yes you don't remember because that's what you can describe as dead parties, not necessarily because they have ceased to exist, but simply because they can be likened to someone who has been in a coma for, yes they are alive but what's the point?

A healthy party is a party that is able to grow, they have been launching their branches all over the country.

It's not exhaustive but that's just some of the measures I use.

COPE also grew quickly in their first year.

 

[Agent67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580082829215510529

Holomisa is implementing Stalingrad.

 

[Jam Sandwich]

That's the governing party in case you have forgotten, you guys need to learn to remove your emotions from these things. Whatever happens in 2024 you can bet your last weakened randtbst the ANC will still be a big factor in our politics.

Absolutely, anyone who thinks the cANCer is just going to go away is sadly mistaken...
Zanu Forever...
ANC Forever...

 

[Agent67]

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[TheChamp]

COPE also grew quickly in their first year.

Perhaps you should had Googled a little, They were formed in 2008, contested the election in 2009 and by 2010 Mbhazima and Lekota were already at each other's throats.

 

[wingnut771]

Perhaps you should had Googled a little, They were formed in 2008, contested the election in 2009 and by 2010 Mbhazima and Lekota were already at each other's throats.

that's about a year in my book.

 

[TheChamp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580082829215510529

Holomisa is implementing Stalingrad.

He is not even being coy about it

 

[Priapus]

Absolutely, anyone who thinks the cANCer is just going to go away is sadly mistaken...
Zanu Forever...
ANC Forever...

No one is saying that. ANC will be around for along while. But probably not as the majority / governing party.

 

[TheChamp]

that's about a year in my book.
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Well its kinda pointless looking at when they formed, much better to look at them after their first election, they were fighting amongst themselves as soon as they tasted power.

 

[Jam Sandwich]

No one is saying that. ANC will be around for along while. But probably not as the majority / governing party.

I'll bet my favourite mountain bike they will still be governing after 2024...

One way or another...Going to be some snot and tears for those thinking otherwise.,..

 

[Priapus]

I have just stated the definition in the very post you quoted, but just to expand on that, a healthy party is a relevant party, for an example this very thread cannot go 3 posts without someone mentioning ActionSA or Mashaba, how often do you see the UDM being mentioned?

A healthy party is a visible one, ActionSA has a brand that is very visible in many parts of the country.

A healthy party is a party that is able to attract people, especially people who brings something to the table like all the ex DA leaders they have been attracting, when last did any well know political figure move to COPE, UDM, PAC or any of those parties, yes you don't remember because that's what you can describe as dead parties, not necessarily because they have ceased to exist, but simply because they can be likened to someone who has been in a coma for, yes they are alive but what's the point?

A healthy party is a party that is able to grow, they have been launching their branches all over the country.

It's not exhaustive but that's just some of the measures I use.

Yes. That's exactly what I wanted you to do; hence quoting it. I'm not blind.


Anyway, fair enough. Those are reasonable measures and more than just having staff on the ground; which was my point.

Let's see how it plays out for ASA - I'm betting they will not grow significantly in 2024 and by then Herman would have left the party.

Please, feel free to book mark this post and set a reminder.

 

[TheChamp]

No one is saying that. ANC will be around for along while. But probably not as the majority / governing party.

Actually @wingnut771 referred to the ANC when I was talking about dead parties.

 

[Priapus]

I'll bet my favourite mountain bike they will still be governing after 2024...

One way or another...Going to be some snot and tears for those thinking otherwise.,..

Yeah, probably. But with with the majority they have now, I don't think.

At least it seems certain they will loose Gauteng.

 

[Priapus]

Actually @wingnut771 referred to the ANC when I was talking about dead parties.

No, I don't think that is what they implied. ANC isn't a healthy party though. Way too many factions and infighting and the leader unable to do anything.

 

[TheChamp]

Yes. That's exactly what I wanted you to do; hence quoting it. I'm not blind.


Anyway, fair enough. Those are reasonable measures and more than just having staff on the ground; which was my point.

Let's see how it plays out for ASA - I'm betting they will not grow significantly in 2024 and by then Herman would have left the party.

Please, feel free to book mark this post and set a reminder.

So they will grow but not significantly? How are they dying if they are growing? See that's why I asked for clarification because dying usually describe the total opposite of what you have just said.