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JuliusSeizure said:
It's difficult for them to co-exist happily. The DA essentially views Action SA as taking their voters.
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The DA also does not understand that they are not the anointed opposition party, they complained about ASA splitting the opposition vote again after the Tshwane by election.

If it was according to them everyone would be like the Freedom Front.
 
surface said:
I am sure they will come together if they are on equal footing in terms of voter % and/or seats OR when they are in a position to grab power.
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Yeah, for now, it seems they'll work together if they can throw out the ANC (reference: current Gauteng coalitions) at least.
 
TheChamp said:
The DA also does not understand that they are not the anointed opposition party
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Ok, so while I don't completely agree with their stance, I can see why they do act that way.

They've been SA's official opposition since 1999, they've been OO for 23 years.
They're the only other party in SA that governs a province on its own, the WC. They've been in charge of the WC for 13 years.

They're used to the "man vs world" fight. Because before 2019 there were no other opposition parties to actually give them competition or pose a threat to the ANC as they did. They were the only party that effectively ruled a province showing they have the potential for being a competent national gov.

But now with the likes of ASA growing exponentially and eating directly into their voter base or having their own members defect to ASA or having to work in coalitions they can't completely dominate, is setting off alarm bells with them. They're going into much-unexplored territory a lot like the ANC is.

The ANC is bracing themselves to potentially go to the opposition benches in 2024. Many senior ANC members have echoed that unless something changes drastically (which they know won't happen), they'll lose in 2024.
The DA is worried because now there is another viable opposition party they have to compete with and also possibly for the OO title, where they're used to having a monopoly on opposition affairs. They're also warming up to the fact that they'll probably never solely govern the country and will have to go into coalition in 2024 if everything works well and the ANC is weakened enough to get thrown out.

So I think it's a fear of the unknown as well as knowing they have actual competition now.
TheChamp said:
they complained about ASA splitting the opposition vote again after the Tshwane by election.
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Yeah, it was a bit stupid.
 
sefeddt said:
Another by-election coming up. Will ASA see growth here, different voter profile.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522118128058179587
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Well, they did exceedingly better than the DA last year, so I think their big competitor now will be the ANC itself. They didn't do too shabbily in the township at W96.

If they can grow a lot like with Ward 96 or perhaps via some miracle capture the ward, it would be in ASA's favour and show they're growing in all places, regardless if it's suburb or township.
 
sefeddt said:
Another by-election coming up. Will ASA see growth here, different voter profile.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522118128058179587
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The ANC and the EFF are busy telling residents they are full of nonsense for complaining about illegal immigrants, naturally it would be ASA's gain but they also had a fallout with their leadership there. It's up for grabs to whoever can convince their voters to pitch up, it will probably have a very low turnout.
 
Priapus said:
I’d be happy to see the ANC thrown out of KZN and Gauteng. That would A good start. If they lost KZN, that’ll be the second province they loose.
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Yup. They'll probably lose both provinces in 2024 to opposition coalitions.

If we look at provincial votes last year, in Gauteng the ANC only got 36% of the vote. In KZN, the ANC got 41% of the vote.
I sincerely doubt the ANC will be able to come back from those numbers in 2024... An opposition coalition could easily throw them out in both provinces.

If thrown out, the economic and population centres of SA (KZN, GP, WC) will no longer be under ANC rule reducing them to a "rural party" so to speak.

But something that makes me curious is the other provinces except EC (that will stay die-hard ANC as always). Like where would FS and NC swing since the ANC barely managed to get above 50% (same with Bloem)? The northern provinces will be interesting to see since they are still registered as high ANC, yet you constantly see ASA branches launching in the northern provinces like crazy on Twitter, so...
 
TheChamp said:
The ANC and the EFF are busy telling residents they are full of nonsense for complaining about illegal immigrants
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Inside sources? Or speculation?
TheChamp said:
naturally it would be ASA's gain
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Probably. If Dudula is popular there, I suspect their supporters might swing ASA.
TheChamp said:
It's up for grabs to whoever can convince their voters to pitch up, it will probably have a very low turnout.
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Yeah, by-elections usually don't have big turnouts.
 
PrimeSteak said:
Inside sources? Or speculation?

Probably. If Dudula is popular there, I suspect their supporters might swing ASA.

Yeah, by-elections usually don't have big turnouts.
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It's public knowledge that both the leaders of the ANC and EFF think residents are just suffering from xenophobia when they raise concerns, they don't have to explicitly spell it out but their dismissive attitude says it all.
 
PrimeSteak said:
Yup. They'll probably lose both provinces in 2024 to opposition coalitions.

If we look at provincial votes last year, in Gauteng the ANC only got 36% of the vote. In KZN, the ANC got 41% of the vote.
I sincerely doubt the ANC will be able to come back from those numbers in 2024... An opposition coalition could easily throw them out in both provinces.

If thrown out, the economic and population centres of SA (KZN, GP, WC) will no longer be under ANC rule reducing them to a "rural party" so to speak.

But something that makes me curious is the other provinces except EC (that will stay die-hard ANC as always). Like where would FS and NC swing since the ANC barely managed to get above 50% (same with Bloem)? The northern provinces will be interesting to see since they are still registered as high ANC, yet you constantly see ASA branches launching in the northern provinces like crazy on Twitter, so...
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Oh yeah, their last turnout for provincial was bad - didn't realise it was that bad. So, it's unlikely they will retain KZN and Gauteng.

Would that be nice, to see them thrown out of the province. Maybe that means we will see some proper change up here for once.

Unless the EFF helps them retain the province via a coalition?
 
Priapus said:
Perhaps raise it with them?

I do wonder why they need it.
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Yeah, I will drop a email. I don't mind giving ID number when it is required for legal purposes but to a political party and that too for volunteer ? Not sure about that.
 
surface said:
Been considering volunteering for ASA.

ActionSA website allows volunteers and first thing they ask is ID number. No POPI disclaimer, no reason why it is being asked. Interesting.

ActionSA - Register Volunteer

www.actionsa.app www.actionsa.app
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Yeah, I found it weird as well when I looked around on their site the other day, for perhaps a student chapter or something, you know just looking 'round.

Am considering donating to both ASA and DA, it may not be thousands or hundreds but at least it's something...
Although, it seems you need to give your name, email, cell number and in the DA's case, your ID too, when you donate, which makes me iffy all together...
 
PrimeSteak said:
Yeah, I found it weird as well when I looked around on their site the other day, for perhaps a student chapter or something, you know just looking 'round.

Am considering donating to both ASA and DA, it may not be thousands or hundreds but at least it's something...
Although, it seems you need to give your name, email, cell number and in the DA's case, your ID too, when you donate, which makes me iffy all together...
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For donations, I can probably understand as they would need to submit proof of donors. But, just for volunteering? Will check if EFF allows without ID now..
 
surface said:
For donations, I can probably understand as they would need to submit proof of donors.
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Seems like it's relevant to the Political Party Funding Act.

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surface said:
But, just for volunteering? Will check if EFF allows without ID now..
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What would that entail tho? Like setting up your own branch or...?

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What I got when opening EFF's site. Actual ****ing malware... Suits em...
 
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