The Syrian Conflict Thread

[OrbitalDawn]

I can only back the claims using rt and alternative news sources orbital. Much like the drone attacks there was no one on the ground counting deaths but we have an accurate number reported in syria. Anyways like i said believe what you want to believe, my emotions can get the better of me at times. If you want to believe NATO was justified and had the authority to drop 40000 bombs on libya by all means believe it.

Grant keeps telling me to google for an english version orbital, goes on and on and on about it.

An English version will not be the original.

And you specifically said thousands of innocent people were killed by NATO, repeatedly. I'd like to see your evidence for this, considering this is what you're so up in arms about.

Why do you believe 'the media' when it reports things that fit your preconceived notions?

Now that is great.

How long did they deny even having chemical weapons?

You don't like Kerry lying but Assad does it and you don't seem to mind...

 

[Grant]

Grant keeps telling me to google for an english version orbital, goes on and on and on about it.
Now that is great.

dont try come with the crap & use that as your scapegoat, it's your constant double standards that you continually try blame everyone else with.
you constantly carry on how everyone is brainwashed, like sheep, by "the media".

here comes the genie from the bottle:
that post of mine was all about you & your obsession with RT, that the chemical attack was integral to it was part of the bait.
Suddenly you declared on the inclusion of that report that you don't trust "the media". 2 days later you are back to quoting RT, "the media".

You stated some posts back that you do not rely on "the media" for your information.

Please, state for us, just where is it you get your information from ?

 

[Grant]

Reverting into old killa-mode again?

Reverting ??
3 x worse than ever.

One day killa's arguments are sane & lucid, the next day they exhibit the logic of a chicken & sophistication of a goat.

 

[killadoob]

Can i ask orbital, what is reliable and acceptable for you in terms of sources, links, news channels? Just so i know what to look for.

Let's get a list of credible news sources going:

1.?

Rt won't be on the list, every story they have is an outright lie, we have established that due to their reports not being what people want to see and believe. So list acceptable sources please orbital for future reference.

Syria has not had to let anyone know what they have much like israel as far as i am aware. Not sure how many other countries don't have to but i will google that later. Please note my israeli comment is not an attack on israel, i just know they refused to ratify until other countries did.

 

[Grant]

Again killa
for the larger portion of this thread, you have been telling everyone that they are sheep having been brainwashed by the media.


You have very clearly stated on more than one occasion, that you do not rely on the media as your source of information.

What exactly, has been your source of information all this time ?

 

[killadoob]

Again killa
for the lager portion of this thread, you have been telling everyone that they are sheep having been brainwashed by the media.


You have very clearly stated on more than one occasion, that you do not rely on the media as your source of information.

What exactly, has been your source of information all this time ?

I would like to see where i have said i don't use media to form an opinion before i even begin to answer you grant. Waiting for that.

I recall saying i rely on numerous media sources to form an opinion. Anyways waiting for you to show i don't use media to form an opinion. Odd that i quote media time and again yet i suddenly don't use any media? interesting waiting for you to back that up.

Anyways while we wait for an acceptable list from orbital, grant whatever he can search and try make out whatever he likes but back on topic.

A site i know you all love

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/vide...syrian-rebels.cnn&hpt=hp_c5&from_homepage=yes
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/12/politics/syria-arming-rebels/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

1st link CIA admit arming rebels
2nd link rebels deny receiving weapons from CIA

 

[Grant]

I would like to see where i have said i don't use media to form an opinion before i even begin to answer you grant. Waiting for that.

I am not going to sift through thousands of posts, I am pretty sure others here also recall you making those outlandish statements.
However, back to the very issue that brought this about:

. . . . while tuning me because i want original documents and nothing summed up by media outlets?

You constantly quote summed up media outlets info
But when that report (the french chemical attack report) emerged, suddenly summing up by media outlets was unacceptable !

That report was all over the place. I specifically, very very specifically, used RT as a source to quote, in order to gauge your response to assad now being fingered by an alternate source (a source that has a somewhat thorny relationship with the usa) not only by your obsessively hated usa.

 

[killadoob]

Do you have secret undeniable evidence i said i don't use media outlets grant? Ok perhaps some people will believe your secret undeniable proof of what i said.

France is the only country i know that released a classified document to the public. I am entitled to want an unbiased report on the document but i don't know what media outlet reports the truth and nothing more.

So i think i am fully justified avoiding all media outlets in that regard. I think the UN is the best outlet to get that info from. As far as i am aware they have not released anything regarding the document. So i will avoid reading media outlets regarding the french documents purely to ensure i don't get fed rubbish by cnn and rubbish by rt.

So you are saying the RT article implicated assad based on the french documents grant? Seems highly unlikely to me but i am sure you can tell me if RT said the french document was proof assad did it. Anyways link me to this article where RT implicates assad in the attack. I cannot see that being the case but perhaps i am wrong and if rt did implicate him then it would validate rt as a legit and honest news source grant.

So link it.

Grant do you know the difference between trust and hate? Do i trust the US are killing who they say with drone strikes? I don't, killing with impunity as kerry said is unacceptable.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I only trust The Onion.

 

[killadoob]

I only trust The Onion.

Big problem, this is where grant would deem it hate. Trust seems more likely.

1. Assad will only agree to the russian proposal if the americans say they won't attack. Assad could stall for months so i doubt this is something the US would even consider.
2. US will only decide to strike assad after he follows the russian proposal. Trusting the US would be a mistake, past history suggests they should not be trusted.

Now considering none of them are trustworthy and none of them trust each other. Seems like a dead end. Interesting to see how it plays out.

Got the info off aljazeera, no link watched it live. Not sure if aljazeera are considered an acceptable source of information though. So even if there was a link it might be pointless linking it.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

What about the French, killa? They seem pretty keen to strike, too.

 

[killadoob]

What about the French, killa? They seem pretty keen to strike, too.

With what?

Then they must strike, nothing is stopping them. They know however the US can break international law whenever they like and get away with it. Perhaps i should say international norms as law isn't a word kerry can say. He is the one obama should be removing. He is destroying the campaign because he doesn't just lie poorly, he looks foolish. Firstly believing some 26 year old with no experience and citing her, then causing the russians to latch onto the chemical weapon comment he made.

His opening speech was nothing short of pathetic. So already they were in trouble, the grilling i watched he could not answer many questions. He had no after plan, he said he does not think anything will be done when they strike, factoring out 10 different possibles. He is an absolute joke in my opinion. Regardless of my feelings, they need to be convincing and in my opinion kerry has been nothing but a lying joke. Hurt this process so badly.

 

[killadoob]

France are all big talk and blah blah until the US backs down, then the saudis and qatar i think say they will pay for a ground invasion and now boots on the ground something kerry promised could not happen looks a possibility, again kerry making comments that were bound to come back and bite him. Why don't the saudis attack syria, bunch of chickens who hire people to do their bidding? The US have been put in this position because obama set a red line. Had he not set a red line i don't know what would have happened. Having no plan other than lobbying rockets is about the most idiotic plan i have heard of. Even bush could have done better. Basically ruling out every possible outcome and saying they don't expect retaliation also pretty idiotic when iran, russia and syria say they will retaliate. Whether they would i don't know but neither does kerry.

So regardless if i feel there are no grounds for strike, kerry is the main reason we are at this point. Perhaps i am wrong and obama actually does not want to go to war with syria but then why did he say assad must be removed. He could not strike initially, breaking international and domestic laws at the same time, dunno seemed risky. Whether he was breaking domestic laws, that could go either way. Obama in my opinion has done the right thing, sadly he employed kerry to push the attack. Mistake of note.

 

[w1z4rd]

[video=youtube;bdO_qG5gvlA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdO_qG5gvlA&noredirect=1[/video]

Change the word "Iraq" for "Assad" in that song, and you can basically use the same song again.

 

[killadoob]

LOL ghoti can't read this but i love when they say sick of saddam lying bomb bomb iraq .

Turned out saddam was not lying, the US were the liars but at least bush had a plan. Go in attack iraq and remove saddam, from there try setup a government and so on. Unfortunately for him the people turned on the american forces, forcing them to leave and now look iraq is chaos. Yes the US made a mistake in iraq but they had an initial plan, they had an after plan. The thing they missed is the government was always going to be shia and friendly with iran so they strengthened iran slightly.

I didn't have a problem with the iraq war, trust broken. Anti US kicked in. Although i am not anti US i just don't trust their intentions and they apply laws based on who are their friends which makes sense no doubt but then drop the humanitarian we care about the people rubbish.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Turned out saddam was not lying

Do you think they should have just taken his word for it? He had used them extensively before and had lied to UN investigators (if not outright blocking them).

The Syrians have also denied having any chemical weapons. Turns out they lied, through their own admission.

 

[Seriously]

Do you think they should have just taken his word for it? He had used them extensively before and had lied to UN investigators (if not outright blocking them).

The Syrians have also denied having any chemical weapons. Turns out they lied, through their own admission.

What many idiots denied and still deny today are that the same chemical arsenals currently in Syria was stash from Sadam's arsenal transferred to Syria. There was no doubt that Sadam had chemical weapons and other scuds but none was found, not even a few but absolutely NONE? Cum on only stupid idiots can believe that and they are a plenty.

 

[killadoob]

Do you think they should have just taken his word for it? He had used them extensively before and had lied to UN investigators (if not outright blocking them).

The Syrians have also denied having any chemical weapons. Turns out they lied, through their own admission.

There was a team of 100 inspectors in iraq who could find nothing. Look the lies in iraq are not maybe this or that, it's a fact they blatantly lied. You can go watch it on youtube bro. It's there. I don't think anyone questions whether they lied or not.

curveball, ever heard it? Mobile chemical trucks? LOL you must watch colin powells speech, shame he was in the dark though. He thought the info given to him was legit. Go read up on it, he even admits they lied.

 

[Seriously]

I am not going to sift through thousands of posts, I am pretty sure others here also recall you making those outlandish statements..

It would be like searching for the carrots in vomit searching for anything concrete or valid in the posts of a fluttering mind exacerbated by continual thumb sucks and obvious schizophrenic obsessive anti USA bias

 

[OrbitalDawn]

There was a team of 100 inspectors in iraq who could find nothing. Look the lies in iraq are not maybe this or that, it's a fact they blatantly lied. You can go watch it on youtube bro. It's there. I don't think anyone questions whether they lied or not.

curveball, ever heard it? Mobile chemical trucks? LOL you must watch colin powells speech, shame he was in the dark though. He thought the info given to him was legit. Go read up on it, he even admits they lied.

Sure, I'm saying Hussein also lied, and had used chemical weapons extensively before so his word wasn't worth schit. Maybe he blocked them until he moved the weapons out of the country. Not like that's so massively implausible.