The Syrian Conflict Thread

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Xarog said:
Only proving the point further. Poroshenko only managed 9 million votes in total. Had those areas participated in the national elections, and had the people who weren't backing Poroshenko actually under the impression that there was a point to voting (2nd place only managed 2 million votes ffs).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

Those numbers are not indicative of a popular vote. That's the kind of turnout you'd expect for a coup wallpapered with legitimacy.
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You could say the same about most European elections, a 50% turn out is quite normal and in a fptp system a government can be formed with around 35% of the vote.

Face the fact, an internationally recognised election was held and the world accepted the result and has deemed the Ukrainian government to be legitimate, EVEN Russia has done so. Anything else you feel is merely your bias affecting your opinion.
 
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Breaking News: Chinese Warplanes Join Russian Airstrikes in Syria!

5 Oct 15

Russia’s military intervention in Syria has expanded radically in two directions. Military and intelligence sources report that China sent word to Moscow Friday, Oct. 2, that J-15 fighter bombers would shortly join the Russian air campaign that was launched Wednesday, Sept. 30. Baghdad has offered Moscow an air base for targeting the Islamic State now occupying large swathes of Iraqi territory. Russia’s military intervention in Syria has five additional participants: China, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Hezballah.

The J-15 warplanes will take off from the Chinese Liaoning-CV-16 aircraft carrier, which reached Syrian shores on Sept. 26.
This will be a landmark event for Beijing: its first military operation in the Middle East as well the carrier’s first taste of action in conditions of real combat.

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This war is going to escalate to boiling point between East and West.
Could this be the first stages on an end game, or will the US and EU scurry off with their tails between their legs?
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Reports that your story is actually false and the Chinese are not anywhere near Syria.

Never mind that there are no credible reports of Liaoning entering the region, and no images available of it in Syrian ports. Or that the U.S. Department of Defense and Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) do not judge the Ukrainian-derived carrier or its air wing ready for any such actions. (Liaoning “remains several years from becoming fully operational, and even then will offer relatively limited combat capability”).
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Already, there has been an indirect Chinese denial of sorts. Senior Captain Zhang Junshe—former deputy director of the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN)’s strategic think tank and an influential, well-informed member of PLAN policy circles—has been quoted as stating “that reports of the Liaoning heading to the Mediterranean are ‘purely rumors.’”
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http://nationalinterest.org/feature/chinas-main-mission-south-china-sea-not-syria-14012
 
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End of US dominance. That's not a bad thing.
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How exactly do we benefit from this? Im just trying to understand how two very powerful countries, which cant get democracy right.... and who are more corrupt than Zuma.... is a good thing. They are willing to screw over their own people, why should they care for me?

America is not some perfect child, but its the far lesser of superpower evils. Imagine if there was no one to balance out Russia and Chinas power. Your quality of living might drop to Russian and Chinese standards.
 
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How exactly do we benefit from this? Im just trying to understand how two very powerful countries, which cant get democracy right.... and who are more corrupt than Zuma.... is a good thing. They are willing to screw over their own people, why should they care for me?

America is not some perfect child, but its the far lesser of superpower evils. Imagine if there was no one to balance out Russia and Chinas power. Your quality of living might drop to Russian and Chinese standards.
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No corporate backed unipolar hegemony riding roughshod over everyone's human rights in the name of profit. For a start.
 
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Reading this thread regards to the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons and the killing of civilians and kids..... WHERE is the expected and usual MyBB outcry?

So frecking sad. You freaking sad sacks! You know who you are!
 
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This is getting quite interesting, the news agencies dont know what the hell to report.
Who is the enemy know, ISIS, Russia, Assad? Its hilarious.

Last night CNN almost glorified ISIS and made Russia seem like the terrorist.
 
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Xarog said:
Only proving the point further. Poroshenko only managed 9 million votes in total. Had those areas participated in the national elections, and had the people who weren't backing Poroshenko actually under the impression that there was a point to voting (2nd place only managed 2 million votes ffs).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

Those numbers are not indicative of a popular vote. That's the kind of turnout you'd expect for a coup wallpapered with legitimacy.
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ANC got 11 mil votes in 2014 election, and SA has 20% more population. Was it a coup?
 
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Always good, most of Russian government are Jews. Most of the doctors in Israel are immigrants from Russia
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yip, i see that now...
In 2011, Putin said: "Israel is, in fact, a special state to us. It is practically a Russian-speaking country. Israel is one of the few foreign countries that can be called Russian-speaking. It's apparent that more than half of the population speaks Russian."[16] Putin additionally claimed that Israel could be considered part of the Russian cultural world, and contended that "songs which are considered to be national Israeli songs in Israel are in fact Russian national songs." He further stated that he regarded Russian-speaking Israeli citizens as his compatriots and part of the 'Russian world'.[17]

During Operation Protective Edge in 2014, Putin stated that “I support Israel’s battle that is intended to keep its citizens protected.”[18]

In August 2014, Russia began increasing fruit imports from Israel, after banning food imports from the EU, Norway, United States, Canada and Australia.[19]

In October 2014, India and Israel started to export meat to Russia.[20]

In October 2015, Israel and Russia held meetings to co-ordinate over Syria, and avoid accidentally clashing or scrambling each other's communications while operating over the country.[21][22]
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ANC got 11 mil votes in 2014 election, and SA has 20% more population. Was is a coup?
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Did the election happen as a result of a coup? You can't deny that Yanukovych was ousted by a revolt, no matter how you want to interpret the nature of that revolt.
 
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Ag shame ......... No matter who did the killing. The outcry is still missing or is that a reserved notion.

Strange that sometimes idiots cant comprehend basic text..
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The outcry is relative to the amount of volume needed to make sure everyone understands its a problem.

No one is saying that the sarin gas attacks were good or justified, thus no one needs to be convinced that it wasn't good or justified. Hence no conversation over the matter.

Or have you not noticed how most discussions on forums tend to revolve around how people say other people are wrong?

There's nothing strange about the silence when the issue is ultimately at peace.
 
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Xarog said:
Did the election happen as a result of a coup? You can't deny that Yanukovych was ousted by a revolt, no matter how you want to interpret the nature of that revolt.
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Your arguments were the number of voters, hence the parallels.

Yanukovich ran away because he lost the moment, he hesitated, he made couple of bad decisions, he got scared. If you look at the timeline of the "coup", you will see that he started moving things out of his residence few days before he ran away. He was panicking, he was in no condition to run the country anymore. Even after he ran to russia, being the "legitimate" president, he never invited russians to invade Ukraine, or to annex Crimea.
 
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Your arguments were the number of voters, hence the parallels.

Yanukovich ran away because he lost the moment, he hesitated, he made couple of bad decisions, he got scared. If you look at the timeline of the "coup", you will see that he started moving things out of his residence few days before he ran away. He was panicking, he was in no condition to run the country anymore. Even after he ran to russia, being the "legitimate" president, he never invited russians to invade Ukraine, or to annex Crimea.
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He was away on a conference initially, then went to Crimea after things got sticky. There were attempts to ambush his convoy as well.

I guess the president should have returned to fight in your argument?
 
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