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The Toyota Supra's Blocked-Off Air Vents Can Be Made Functional, Says the Chief Engineer
The 2020 Toyota Supra's bodywork is shot through with air scoops—in the front and rear bumpers, in the hood, even in the doors.
On the production model of the car, almost all of these slashes and vents are blocked off with black plastic.
But in a conversation with Tetsuya Tada, the chief engineer for the new A90-generation Supra, we learned that there's a way to make these decoy vents and scoops functional.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...04043/2020-toyota-supra-air-vents-functional/
The 2020 Toyota Supra's bodywork is shot through with air scoops—in the front and rear bumpers, in the hood, even in the doors.
On the production model of the car, almost all of these slashes and vents are blocked off with black plastic.
But in a conversation with Tetsuya Tada, the chief engineer for the new A90-generation Supra, we learned that there's a way to make these decoy vents and scoops functional.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...04043/2020-toyota-supra-air-vents-functional/
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What We Found When We Crawled Under the 2020 Toyota Supra
You’ve all seen the 2020 Toyota Supra’s exterior by now.
Some of you like it and some of you think it’s boring, but none of that matters.
What matters is the hardware, which is why I crawled under the Supra at the Detroit Auto Show to get a look at the car’s mechanical bits.
Here’s a look at how they compare to those of the BMW Z4 and BMW 3 Series.
https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-when-we-crawled-under-the-2020-toyota-sup-1831800550?
You’ve all seen the 2020 Toyota Supra’s exterior by now.
Some of you like it and some of you think it’s boring, but none of that matters.
What matters is the hardware, which is why I crawled under the Supra at the Detroit Auto Show to get a look at the car’s mechanical bits.
Here’s a look at how they compare to those of the BMW Z4 and BMW 3 Series.
https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-when-we-crawled-under-the-2020-toyota-sup-1831800550?
justplain
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....Waits for the Carwow Stick of Truth test!!
QUOTE="Ivan Leon, post: 22771534, member: 58946"]The Toyota Supra's Blocked-Off Air Vents Can Be Made Functional, Says the Chief Engineer
The 2020 Toyota Supra's bodywork is shot through with air scoops—in the front and rear bumpers, in the hood, even in the doors.
On the production model of the car, almost all of these slashes and vents are blocked off with black plastic.
But in a conversation with Tetsuya Tada, the chief engineer for the new A90-generation Supra, we learned that there's a way to make these decoy vents and scoops functional.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...04043/2020-toyota-supra-air-vents-functional/[/QUOTE]
QUOTE="Ivan Leon, post: 22771534, member: 58946"]The Toyota Supra's Blocked-Off Air Vents Can Be Made Functional, Says the Chief Engineer
The 2020 Toyota Supra's bodywork is shot through with air scoops—in the front and rear bumpers, in the hood, even in the doors.
On the production model of the car, almost all of these slashes and vents are blocked off with black plastic.
But in a conversation with Tetsuya Tada, the chief engineer for the new A90-generation Supra, we learned that there's a way to make these decoy vents and scoops functional.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...04043/2020-toyota-supra-air-vents-functional/[/QUOTE]
FiestaST
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Toyota Supra Engineer Thinks It Will Achieve 7:40 ‘Ring Time
Yes the Toyota Supra is kind of a big deal so we will probably talk about it a lot this year but amid the storm of details about transmissions, engines and design, one figure has been conspicuously absent: a lap time at the Nurburgring.
There is actually a very good reason for that because Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer on the project, told Road&Track that the car has not actually lapped the infamous circuit yet.
“We haven’t had an official time attack yet,” he told the magazine, suggesting the car’s 155 mph (250 km/h) speed limiter could cause problems on the long Nurburgring back straight.
“One day, perhaps, we cut the speed limiter and try the time attack,” he went on.
“But even just driving it as it is, it’s really fast. On the old course, it’s very easy to break eights—7:50, 7:40. It will do that easily.”
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/01/toyota-supra-engineer-thinks-it-will-achieve-740-ring-time.html
Yes the Toyota Supra is kind of a big deal so we will probably talk about it a lot this year but amid the storm of details about transmissions, engines and design, one figure has been conspicuously absent: a lap time at the Nurburgring.
There is actually a very good reason for that because Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer on the project, told Road&Track that the car has not actually lapped the infamous circuit yet.
“We haven’t had an official time attack yet,” he told the magazine, suggesting the car’s 155 mph (250 km/h) speed limiter could cause problems on the long Nurburgring back straight.
“One day, perhaps, we cut the speed limiter and try the time attack,” he went on.
“But even just driving it as it is, it’s really fast. On the old course, it’s very easy to break eights—7:50, 7:40. It will do that easily.”
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/01/toyota-supra-engineer-thinks-it-will-achieve-740-ring-time.html
FiestaST
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Toyota Supra Engineer Thinks It Will Achieve 7:40 ‘Ring Time
Yes the Toyota Supra is kind of a big deal so we will probably talk about it a lot this year but amid the storm of details about transmissions, engines and design, one figure has been conspicuously absent: a lap time at the Nurburgring.
There is actually a very good reason for that because Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer on the project, told Road&Track that the car has not actually lapped the infamous circuit yet.
“We haven’t had an official time attack yet,” he told the magazine, suggesting the car’s 155 mph (250 km/h) speed limiter could cause problems on the long Nurburgring back straight.
“One day, perhaps, we cut the speed limiter and try the time attack,” he went on.
“But even just driving it as it is, it’s really fast. On the old course, it’s very easy to break eights—7:50, 7:40. It will do that easily.”
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/01/toyota-supra-engineer-thinks-it-will-achieve-740-ring-time.html
Yes the Toyota Supra is kind of a big deal so we will probably talk about it a lot this year but amid the storm of details about transmissions, engines and design, one figure has been conspicuously absent: a lap time at the Nurburgring.
There is actually a very good reason for that because Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer on the project, told Road&Track that the car has not actually lapped the infamous circuit yet.
“We haven’t had an official time attack yet,” he told the magazine, suggesting the car’s 155 mph (250 km/h) speed limiter could cause problems on the long Nurburgring back straight.
“One day, perhaps, we cut the speed limiter and try the time attack,” he went on.
“But even just driving it as it is, it’s really fast. On the old course, it’s very easy to break eights—7:50, 7:40. It will do that easily.”
https://www.zero2turbo.com/2019/01/toyota-supra-engineer-thinks-it-will-achieve-740-ring-time.html
FiestaST
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2020 Toyota Supra First Look - Alex on Autos
FiestaST
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OK. Let's talk about the new Toyota Supra - Calvin Fisher
FiestaST
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Toyota Supra vs BMW Z4: How Different Are They?
This week's headlines have been dominated by the launch of the new Toyota Supra. Cynics have been quick to label the eagerly-anticipated newcomer a Toyota-badged BMW Z4, but how closely are the Supra and Bimmer related?
The 2020 Supra is the result of a collaborative effort between Toyota and BMW. A few months ago, the Munich-based released its new Z4 and the Supra's based on its platform, but while there are mechanical similarities, the two cars are quite different in execution. What's more, the Supra has bespoke suspension and traction control tuning, to offer a markedly different driving experience. Also, when you compare body styles, the Z4 is strictly a roadster, while the Supra is a coupe, which means the latter will have better torsional rigidity and should hold the edge in terms of handling.
However, when you look under the respective cars' sheetmetal, it becomes a challenge to differentiate between them. For example, the BMW and Toyota share the same engine, albeit in different states of tune. The engine – the B58 3.0-litre turbocharged straight 6 – is made by the German firm. In Z4 M40i application, it produces 250 kW and 500 Nm, while in the Supra it has the same power output and fractionally less torque (495 Nm).
When you compare the Z4 and Supra's interiors and their respective switchgear, it is obvious that there are more than a few overlaps. That being said, the BMW Z4 M40i has a nicer looking dashboard cluster in our opinion, while Toyota has its own version of a digital gauge cluster.
It's interesting that the Supra's transmission lever looks remarkably like the one found in the latest Mini products. The font and icons applied to the switchgear are typical of contemporary BMW models and the rotary selector knob for the Toyota's infotainment unit is quite obviously based on BMW's iDrive controller. The whole thing package appears to be more BMW than Toyota, if not clearly from the outside, definitely on the inside.
Summary
When we heard that BMW and Toyota were collaborating on the new Supra, we were concerned that this was going to be another case of Toyota (GT) 86 and Subaru BRZ – two products that are so similar in execution (and in terms of the driving experiences they offer) that, to this day, it's difficult to understand why both need to exist. The hope with the Supra/Z4 collaboration is that the Japanese and German cars each have a unique character and, having one as a coupe and the other as a roadster, will hopefully go some way to ensure that their target markets don't overlap.
https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/toyota-supra-vs-bmw-z4-how-different-are-they/46000/
This week's headlines have been dominated by the launch of the new Toyota Supra. Cynics have been quick to label the eagerly-anticipated newcomer a Toyota-badged BMW Z4, but how closely are the Supra and Bimmer related?
The 2020 Supra is the result of a collaborative effort between Toyota and BMW. A few months ago, the Munich-based released its new Z4 and the Supra's based on its platform, but while there are mechanical similarities, the two cars are quite different in execution. What's more, the Supra has bespoke suspension and traction control tuning, to offer a markedly different driving experience. Also, when you compare body styles, the Z4 is strictly a roadster, while the Supra is a coupe, which means the latter will have better torsional rigidity and should hold the edge in terms of handling.
However, when you look under the respective cars' sheetmetal, it becomes a challenge to differentiate between them. For example, the BMW and Toyota share the same engine, albeit in different states of tune. The engine – the B58 3.0-litre turbocharged straight 6 – is made by the German firm. In Z4 M40i application, it produces 250 kW and 500 Nm, while in the Supra it has the same power output and fractionally less torque (495 Nm).
When you compare the Z4 and Supra's interiors and their respective switchgear, it is obvious that there are more than a few overlaps. That being said, the BMW Z4 M40i has a nicer looking dashboard cluster in our opinion, while Toyota has its own version of a digital gauge cluster.
It's interesting that the Supra's transmission lever looks remarkably like the one found in the latest Mini products. The font and icons applied to the switchgear are typical of contemporary BMW models and the rotary selector knob for the Toyota's infotainment unit is quite obviously based on BMW's iDrive controller. The whole thing package appears to be more BMW than Toyota, if not clearly from the outside, definitely on the inside.
Summary
When we heard that BMW and Toyota were collaborating on the new Supra, we were concerned that this was going to be another case of Toyota (GT) 86 and Subaru BRZ – two products that are so similar in execution (and in terms of the driving experiences they offer) that, to this day, it's difficult to understand why both need to exist. The hope with the Supra/Z4 collaboration is that the Japanese and German cars each have a unique character and, having one as a coupe and the other as a roadster, will hopefully go some way to ensure that their target markets don't overlap.
https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/toyota-supra-vs-bmw-z4-how-different-are-they/46000/
FiestaST
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^Afaik that torque for the Supra is incorrect. Both Z4 & Supra make 500 Nm.
FiestaST
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FiestaST
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True
The Voice
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It's doesn't LOOK like a BMW this time, it IS a BMW.
Mike Hoxbig
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Not true, people don't know their facts it seems.
That Supra was released in 1986. The 8-series was released in 1990. If anything it's the other way around...
kripstoe
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That Supra was released in 1986, but with various facelifts including a new grill (similar to the BMW) in '89/90. 8-series debut was in 1989.
FiestaST
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Vehicle Virgins first look
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The New Toyota Supra Needs This
The new Toyota Supra looks fantastic in person as it is, but there were just two things that seemed a little off about it to me. One was obviously its power output, and the other one I couldn’t quite put my finger on—until now.
It obviously needs a BFW (Big ****ing Wing). I realized this after seeing this render from Roman Miah, a design student on Instagram, featuring the new Supra with tweaked taillights, a new muffler and a slick wing reminiscent of the 1990s Supra:
The render was also published over on Top Gear’s website. Just for comparison, here’s a stock photo of the wing on the ‘96 Supra (Targa top, of course):
And another:
Mmm, yeah. That’s the good stuff.
I also dig the taillight change with the circles in Roman’s render, which helps bridge the gap between the 1996 and 2019 Supras a little better than the actual new design.
While we’re complaining about things the new Supra lacks, the more we talk about the car in the Jalopnik office, and the more I think about it, the more I can’t help but hope that Toyota hasn’t shown us everything planned for the Supra.
For one, if it only ever offers 335 horsepower, it’ll be haunted forever by the shadow of the more powerful America-spec BMW Z4 with which it shares pretty much all of its powertrain and chassis components. It just doesn’t look like a car that should be smoked by a homely little German convertible.
Of course, it likely won’t take long for new Supra buyers to fabricate and install their own homage wings, and do their own tunes, and maybe paint it orange and throw a nice neon green sticker package.
Oh, and if Toyota wants to T-top it again, don’t let me stop them. Make sure you check out Roman’s Instagram and Facebook.
https://jalopnik.com/the-new-toyota-supra-needs-this-1831878467
The new Toyota Supra looks fantastic in person as it is, but there were just two things that seemed a little off about it to me. One was obviously its power output, and the other one I couldn’t quite put my finger on—until now.
It obviously needs a BFW (Big ****ing Wing). I realized this after seeing this render from Roman Miah, a design student on Instagram, featuring the new Supra with tweaked taillights, a new muffler and a slick wing reminiscent of the 1990s Supra:
The render was also published over on Top Gear’s website. Just for comparison, here’s a stock photo of the wing on the ‘96 Supra (Targa top, of course):
And another:
Mmm, yeah. That’s the good stuff.
I also dig the taillight change with the circles in Roman’s render, which helps bridge the gap between the 1996 and 2019 Supras a little better than the actual new design.
While we’re complaining about things the new Supra lacks, the more we talk about the car in the Jalopnik office, and the more I think about it, the more I can’t help but hope that Toyota hasn’t shown us everything planned for the Supra.
For one, if it only ever offers 335 horsepower, it’ll be haunted forever by the shadow of the more powerful America-spec BMW Z4 with which it shares pretty much all of its powertrain and chassis components. It just doesn’t look like a car that should be smoked by a homely little German convertible.
Of course, it likely won’t take long for new Supra buyers to fabricate and install their own homage wings, and do their own tunes, and maybe paint it orange and throw a nice neon green sticker package.
Oh, and if Toyota wants to T-top it again, don’t let me stop them. Make sure you check out Roman’s Instagram and Facebook.
https://jalopnik.com/the-new-toyota-supra-needs-this-1831878467
genetic
Honorary Master
This. It's a BMW Supra, and to be honest the Z4 looks better... plus it doesn't have the ugly Toyota badge.
FiestaST
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The First 2020 Toyota Supra Just Sold For $2.1 Million, and Everybody is Freaking Out
“Nobody at the coffee shop will remember you if we stop at one-million nine-fifty.” And that’s how a professional cattle rattle gets someone to pay the headline-winning price of just over $2 million for the first 2020 Toyota Supra off the production line. Thankfully this isn’t simply some display of vulgar opulence, as 100 percent of the hammer price for this car was donated to the American Heart Association and the Bob Woodruff Foundation to support veterans and service members.
While this number is likely to spark some Toyota dealers to add a “market price adjustment” to MKV Supra allotments for the next year or so, it is not a limited production vehicle—outside of the limited-to-90 GR Supra—and should level out once those willing to pay the markup get their cars. The fact of the matter is, the person who bid this car up sky high at Barrett-Jackson is getting a huge tax deduction for the privilege.
This car, for them, is like when you donate $50 to PBS and they send you a canvas tote bag. The Supra is the tote bag.
Interestingly, however, the first Toyota Supra is a one-of-one in a special color. It’s a matte grey with red mirror caps, matte black wheels, and a bright red interior. The engine compartment has been signed by Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda, and just to tick the bid over a little more, he included the race shoes, suit, gloves, and helmet used to complete the final test of the Supra before signing off on production. Sadly, this particular Supra will likely never again be seen, simply sitting in someone’s climate controlled storage facility until the inevitable heat death of the universe.
And this wasn’t the only huge over-payment for charity during B-J’s auctions last night. The first 2019 Ford GT Heritage sold for $2.5 million with the hammer price going to the United Way, and the first 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 sold for $1.1 million, which is going to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.
In case you needed more convincing that the Supra was par for the course at one of these auctions, this customized 1981 Jeep CJ7 was bid up and sold, then the new owner donated the car back to be bid up again. Once the two bids and extra celebrity donations where totaled up, it sold for a whopping $1,310,000.
These kinds of charity sales are not indicative of the invisible hand of the market dictating the car’s value. These are headline-creating attention-grabbing charity donations that probably do more to help these individual foundations than an anonymous donation of the same amount would, because it helps provide awareness for regular folks when it comes time to decide who they will donate to.
Don’t worry about having to pay huge sums for these cars, they’re not “worth” any more because of a charity auction result. If Jeeps were magically worth $1.3 million all of a sudden, David Tracy would be buying everyone at the club a round of tall glasses of their finest milk.
https://jalopnik.com/the-first-mkv-toyota-supra-just-sold-for-2-1-million-1831905825
“Nobody at the coffee shop will remember you if we stop at one-million nine-fifty.” And that’s how a professional cattle rattle gets someone to pay the headline-winning price of just over $2 million for the first 2020 Toyota Supra off the production line. Thankfully this isn’t simply some display of vulgar opulence, as 100 percent of the hammer price for this car was donated to the American Heart Association and the Bob Woodruff Foundation to support veterans and service members.
While this number is likely to spark some Toyota dealers to add a “market price adjustment” to MKV Supra allotments for the next year or so, it is not a limited production vehicle—outside of the limited-to-90 GR Supra—and should level out once those willing to pay the markup get their cars. The fact of the matter is, the person who bid this car up sky high at Barrett-Jackson is getting a huge tax deduction for the privilege.
This car, for them, is like when you donate $50 to PBS and they send you a canvas tote bag. The Supra is the tote bag.
Interestingly, however, the first Toyota Supra is a one-of-one in a special color. It’s a matte grey with red mirror caps, matte black wheels, and a bright red interior. The engine compartment has been signed by Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda, and just to tick the bid over a little more, he included the race shoes, suit, gloves, and helmet used to complete the final test of the Supra before signing off on production. Sadly, this particular Supra will likely never again be seen, simply sitting in someone’s climate controlled storage facility until the inevitable heat death of the universe.
And this wasn’t the only huge over-payment for charity during B-J’s auctions last night. The first 2019 Ford GT Heritage sold for $2.5 million with the hammer price going to the United Way, and the first 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 sold for $1.1 million, which is going to the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.
In case you needed more convincing that the Supra was par for the course at one of these auctions, this customized 1981 Jeep CJ7 was bid up and sold, then the new owner donated the car back to be bid up again. Once the two bids and extra celebrity donations where totaled up, it sold for a whopping $1,310,000.
These kinds of charity sales are not indicative of the invisible hand of the market dictating the car’s value. These are headline-creating attention-grabbing charity donations that probably do more to help these individual foundations than an anonymous donation of the same amount would, because it helps provide awareness for regular folks when it comes time to decide who they will donate to.
Don’t worry about having to pay huge sums for these cars, they’re not “worth” any more because of a charity auction result. If Jeeps were magically worth $1.3 million all of a sudden, David Tracy would be buying everyone at the club a round of tall glasses of their finest milk.
https://jalopnik.com/the-first-mkv-toyota-supra-just-sold-for-2-1-million-1831905825