There is some serious WP tile interface envy amongst Android users...?

[semaphore]

Oh, sorry, didn't see you were trying to be an ******* there, I thought you were trying to actually make some kind of point. Should have suspected as much when you quoted me instead of the guy whose original post I was addressing. Smartphones have always been about getting as much functionality and power into as small a device as possible, that's WHY. If you could stop acting like a retard with split personality disorder (apologies if you actually are mentally challenged and/or have a disorder), you'd see that we're not talking about having exactly the same stuff/interface on a phone as a computer, but rather the same power and utility that you get on a computer. Things like those mentioned in post #18.

And no, there aren't any of your "trade-offs" in Android, just as there weren't in Symbian or the old Windows Mobile. You could/can do pretty much what the hardware would/will allow you. They didn't "streamline" the crap out of everything and turn your expensive phone into a Fischer-Price toy like Apple (and now MS) does.

Bipolar much?

So tell me what is it that you cant do with your current phone. #18 - Lol really ? You want your "PHONE" to control your camera and PS3? Um okay. Cool. Lol. I thought those devices came with their own peripherals.But hey whatever makes you feel happy. You're right i cant control my fridge or toaster with my phone, jesus i wish they would start allowing my PHONE to control my car aswell.

Edit: Anyways enjoy your evening about raging how smartphones cant control the lunar lander.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Bipolar much?

So tell me what is it that you cant do with your current phone. #18 - Lol really ? You want your "PHONE" to control your camera and PS3? Um okay. Cool. Lol. I thought those devices came with their own peripherals.But hey whatever makes you feel happy. You're right i cant control my fridge or toaster with my phone, jesus i wish they would start allowing my PHONE to control my car aswell.

Funny you should mention that:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=a2u.AutomobileControlG&hl=en
Also
http://www.viper.com/smartstart/

To name but a few

PS: its not control the PS3 with the phone, more like play games on the phone using a PS3 or Xbox controller. You known since they come with HDMI support you can turn your phone into a console and play games on a TV if you want.

 

[Polymathic]

I smell a new android rom on the horizon

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

I see I made all Android hell break loose here.

The point I was making is that for all the crapping the Android users have done on WP and its lack customisability etc, one would think WP is the last think an Android user would want to see on one's phone.

WP is a small market. Its good to see that there is part of the large Android market that actually want WP. Even if it is just to try out.

Try it. You might just like it.

 

[HapticSimian]

I see I made all Android hell break loose here.

The point I was making is that for all the crapping the Android users have done on WP and its lack customisability etc, one would think WP is the last think an Android user would want to see on one's phone.

WP is a small market. Its good to see that there is part of the large Android market that actually want WP. Even if it is just to try out.

Try it. You might just like it.

There are in excess of 500,000,000 Android devices in circulation. Five. Hundred. Million. Some owners of Android devices will want some weird stuff. It's nothing to get excited over.

 

[AlphaJohn]

I see I made all Android hell break loose here.

Yes but not for the reason you think, custom launcher nope, saying Android lacks innovation hell yes.

The point I was making is that for all the crapping the Android users have done on WP and its lack customisability etc, one would think WP is the last think an Android user would want to see on one's phone.

WP is a small market. Its good to see that there is part of the large Android market that actually want WP. Even if it is just to try out.

Funny you mention small market, when you look at actual numbers then you get a better picture:

Note this is only the people that bothered to vote(Care enough to say something) for example Go Launcher has under a million votes but over 50 million installs

SPB Shell 3D 34,778 (Most expensive launcher R130)
Launcher 7 35,032 (Free) 6,118 (Paid)
GO Launcher 900,774 (Free)
LauncherPro 250,180 (Free) 5,857 (Paid)
ADW.Launcher 88,873 (Free) 25,080 (Paid)

Android 4.* + Launchers (Can only install on new phones)
Apex Launcher 35,317 (Free)
Nova Launcher 30,635 (Free) 18,686 (Paid)

If I look at the actual numbers involved then it seems to me that there is significantly a **** load more people that want the phones not to look like Windows than those that do.

Try it. You might just like it.

Thanks, I did. That is where I found the Windows Phone styled applications to make it look closer to one, but at the end I found that its ok for maybe a week but its not my cup of tee. I also will not stop others to try it, in fact I will even help them if they want, that is why I shared the WP apps in my Dropbox.

If they interested, I would rather send them to maybe http://aka.ms/wpdemo (On your phone) or YouTube videos like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekjJ0w6CXew As this launcher just mimics the front so its for people that want something close to Windows Phone but hate the actual phone or its limitations.

Here is a quick video of Windows Phone 7 vs the Launcher 7 Paid

[video=youtube_share;1XCq4mSnByQ]http://youtu.be/1XCq4mSnByQ[/video]

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

If only Android would innovate things people really need in their lives.

Here is what one Android user said of the app in question:

I'm gonna put it on my wifes phone since she has issues navigating android.

Point being, tiles make navigation easy. I didn't say it. Look at the quote above. Link.

Sure there are some innovations, but gimmicky is all they are. And gimmiks usually catch on for a while. Until people start realising that they are just that - gimmicks. Try optical image stabilization, supersensitive (use with gloves on) touch screen or photo oversampling (HD PureView) for size. Yes, this is Windows Phone hardware.

The fact is, Android is a dud. It is surviving on its gimmicks. Why do I say this. Because it tries to be everything to everyone and yet it is none of them really.

There is talk of an Android phone being a controller for your TV, for your PlayStation and even as a steering wheel for your car. Great but there are devices already for those purposes.

Now, I hear Google wants to start its own mobile network to compete with the likes of AT&T and Verizon. Just another way that Google is trying to be everything to everyone. Well, good luck to them.

What I see is a company that is trying too hard to be relevent in a market that is already cornered. Kudos to them for trying but there is a still a long way to go before they are positioned enough to have really purposeful devices. No wonder only 3% of all Internet traffic comes from Android. It lacks real purpose.

Android is gimmicky, tries to let everyone do anything they want (often at the expense of bugginess and security) and even goes as far as immitating others' innovations just to maintain relevence. I am sure Android phones are awesome - but not in the way that is actually useful. Pure toys.

I hope Windows 8 helps people wake up from this illusion that Google are running.

P.S. Microsoft were the first to come to market with electronic tablets.

 

[AlphaJohn]

If only Android would innovate things people really need in their lives.

Here is what one Android user said of the app in question:


Point being, tiles make navigation easy. I didn't say it. Look at the quote above. Link.

Sure there are some innovations, but gimmicky is all they are. And gimmiks usually catch on for a while. Until people start realising that they are just that - gimmicks. Try optical image stabilization, supersensitive (use with gloves on) touch screen or photo oversampling (HD PureView) for size. Yes, this is Windows Phone hardware.

The fact is, Android is a dud. It is surviving on its gimmicks. Why do I say this. Because it tries to be everything to everyone and yet it is none of them really.

There is talk of an Android phone being a controller for your TV, for your PlayStation and even as a steering wheel for your car. Great but there are devices already for those purposes.

Now, I hear Google wants to start its own mobile network to compete with the likes of AT&T and Verizon. Just another way that Google is trying to be everything to everyone. Well, good luck to them.

What I see is a company that is trying too hard to be relevent in a market that is already cornered. Kudos to them for trying but there is a still a long way to go before they are positioned enough to have really purposeful devices. No wonder only 3% of all Internet traffic comes from Android. It lacks real purpose.

Android is gimmicky, tries to let everyone do anything they want (often at the expense of bugginess and security) and even goes as far as immitating others' innovations just to maintain relevence. I am sure Android phones are awesome - but not in the way that is actually useful. Pure toys.

I hope Windows 8 helps people wake up from this illusion that Google are running.

P.S. Microsoft were the first to come to market with electronic tablets.

Defaq I just read?

Dude seriously how old are you? cause your debating skill equal to a teenager. Not to even mention reader comprehension. No one spoke about controlling a PS3, we talked about using peripherals like the PS3's controller to control the phone, you know like using a keyboard to type. Also no one talked about controlling the TV even tough you can do that, its about using the TV as an output for the tablet/phone and before you say gimmick desktops(Normal Windows) been doing this for ages.

Android a dud with over 70% of the market? I wish I could make duds that sell that well.

Oh and when you brag about Microsoft being 1st on tablets and phones, its not something to be proud of. They had 10+ years head start and still suffer in uptake, I think that alone is cause for concern.

 

[AJKock]

Something to remember: You cannot mimic responsiveness in a launcher lookalike if your original OS is not that fast.

 

[rorz0r]

Something to remember: You cannot mimic responsiveness in a launcher lookalike if your original OS is not that fast.

Good thing Android is awesome then. WP is only reasonably fast because it lacks even basic funtionality...

 

[Syphonx]

If only Android would innovate things people really need in their lives.

Here is what one Android user said of the app in question:


Point being, tiles make navigation easy. I didn't say it. Look at the quote above. Link.

Sure there are some innovations, but gimmicky is all they are. And gimmiks usually catch on for a while. Until people start realising that they are just that - gimmicks. Try optical image stabilization, supersensitive (use with gloves on) touch screen or photo oversampling (HD PureView) for size. Yes, this is Windows Phone hardware.

The fact is, Android is a dud. It is surviving on its gimmicks. Why do I say this. Because it tries to be everything to everyone and yet it is none of them really.

There is talk of an Android phone being a controller for your TV, for your PlayStation and even as a steering wheel for your car. Great but there are devices already for those purposes.

Now, I hear Google wants to start its own mobile network to compete with the likes of AT&T and Verizon. Just another way that Google is trying to be everything to everyone. Well, good luck to them.

What I see is a company that is trying too hard to be relevent in a market that is already cornered. Kudos to them for trying but there is a still a long way to go before they are positioned enough to have really purposeful devices. No wonder only 3% of all Internet traffic comes from Android. It lacks real purpose.

Android is gimmicky, tries to let everyone do anything they want (often at the expense of bugginess and security) and even goes as far as immitating others' innovations just to maintain relevence. I am sure Android phones are awesome - but not in the way that is actually useful. Pure toys.

I hope Windows 8 helps people wake up from this illusion that Google are running.

P.S. Microsoft were the first to come to market with electronic tablets.

How ironic, the WP fanboy calling android a dud, yet WP has a market share smaller than Bada (I guess you don't know what that is based on the knowledge displayed in this post).
I also really like the comment about purposeful devices, since WP only just got support for USSD, bluetooth transfer, SD Cards, NFC, Dual Cores, Hi Res screens (the list goes on), but that comment is to be expected from someone who buys their tech based on recommendations from oprah and jessica alba

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

How ironic, the WP fanboy calling android a dud, yet WP has a market share smaller than Bada (I guess you don't know what that is based on the knowledge displayed in this post).
I also really like the comment about purposeful devices, since WP only just got support for USSD, bluetooth transfer, SD Cards, NFC, Dual Cores, Hi Res screens (the list goes on), but that comment is to be expected from someone who buys their tech based on recommendations from oprah and jessica alba

Ah. It seems y'all don't get it.

Windows Phone is designed for non-technical people. Unlike Android. Android is more for people who want to tinker with their tech than it is for an average user. So, advice on which phone to use from Oprah actually makes sense, perhaps not to you but to the average person who just wants to get on with his / her life rather than tinker with a phone.

Android has 70% of a market that hasn't quite matured yet. The table can easily turn, and I see them turning given the ecosystem that Android has vs what Windows has. Here I mean having a complete story; PC, laptop, tablet, console and mobile phone. This is what I am trying to say thats all.

Samsung know how to do business. They invested in WP and the whole Win8 ecosystem because they can see in which direction the tide will turn soon i.e. away from a gimmicky ecosystem trying win over customers with technology that may or may not catch on often uses that are great but not really bread and butter functions.

Windows 8 / WP8 are a different type of animal from Win7 and WP7. They are the real deal. The way forward, the Android killer, the iPad demolisher. They are the proper option for modern day computing.

Win8 brings sense to the new age of computing - it is a PC+ era and not post-PC as Google and Apple would like people to believe. I see the Android + Apple bubble bursting as people come to their senses. Smartphones are not yet the norm. Win8/WP8 will make them the norm taking a lot of the people without them yet. This is how I see it.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Ah. It seems y'all don't get it.

You again... you actually don't seem to get it friend...

Windows Phone is designed for non-technical people. Unlike Android. Android is more for people who want to tinker with their tech than it is for an average user. So, advice on which phone to use from Oprah actually makes sense, perhaps not to you but to the average person who just wants to get on with his / her life rather than tinker with a phone.

That is the same excuse trotted out by the Apple crowd and you think that this is innovative? But to the point- on what basis is Windows Phone any easier to use than Android?

Android has 70% of a market that hasn't quite matured yet. The table can easily turn, and I see them turning given the ecosystem that Android has vs what Windows has. Here I mean having a complete story; PC, laptop, tablet, console and mobile phone. This is what I am trying to say thats all.

That ecosystem... tell me, when buying an app for your Windows Phone, does it appear on your Windows tablet? Nope, you have to BUY IT AGAIN... Very hard to have a unified experience if your basic application stores are still walled off from one another. Just on that basis, I don't see on what basis the market will turn.

Samsung know how to do business. They invested in WP and the whole Win8 ecosystem because they can see in which direction the tide will turn soon i.e. away from a gimmicky ecosystem trying win over customers with technology that may or may not catch on often uses that are great but not really bread and butter functions.

You are right that Samsung know how to do business, and they are very good at the business of diversifying. Android falling over is the reason Samsung are going with Windows 8? You sir, are having a laugh.

Windows 8 / WP8 are a different type of animal from Win7 and WP7. They are the real deal. The way forward, the Android killer, the iPad demolisher. They are the proper option for modern day computing.

Sure- a siloed ecosystem, lack of applications, a plethora of basic functionality missing and an average UI experience across the board. But sure, the proper option indeed.

Win8 brings sense to the new age of computing - it is a PC+ era and not post-PC as Google and Apple would like people to believe. I see the Android + Apple bubble bursting as people come to their senses. Smartphones are not yet the norm. Win8/WP8 will make them the norm taking a lot of the people without them yet. This is how I see it.

Given that Apple are going strong with the Macbook series and Google continuously improve their desktop application suite, you are way off on that one... I see the Windows 8 "unified ecosystem" bubble bursting when people get fed up with its silly approach.

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

That ecosystem... tell me, when buying an app for your Windows Phone, does it appear on your Windows tablet? Nope, you have to BUY IT AGAIN... Very hard to have a unified experience if your basic application stores are still walled off from one another. Just on that basis, I don't see on what basis the market will turn.

Just one thing here with what you've said.

Let me make it clear what I mean by ecosystem. Here I was refering to the relationship between devices brought together by the operating system (e.g Win8 + WP8 = PC/Laptop + mobile phone with seamless interconnectedness, as opposed to Win7/8 + Android or OS X + Android). I was not refering to apps only.

Windows constitutes the more important component of most people's computing life. Those who use computers, 9/10 they are using a Windows PC/laptop. It just makes sense to buy a Windows Phone. Therein lies Windows's trump card and Android's fatal flaw.

If I were Google, I would put more effort into expanding the adoption of Chrome books because the lack of Android/Google devices on the desktop/PC/laptop is its achillies heel. It just doesn't make sense to buy an Android device when you have the option of OS X + iOS or Win8 + WP8. Android does not have a complete story.

Maybe you can explain.

 

[Maverick Jester]

Just one thing here with what you've said.

Let me make it clear what I mean by ecosystem. Here I was refering to the relationship between devices brought together by the operating system (e.g Win8 + WP8 = PC/Laptop + mobile phone with seamless interconnectedness). I was not refering to apps only.

Windows constitutes the largest component of most people's computing. Those who use computers, 9/10 they are using a Windows PC/laptop. It just makes sense to buy a Windows Phone. Therein lies Windows's trump card and Android's demise.

If I were Google, I would put more effort into expanding the adoption of Chrome books because the lack of adoption of Android on the desktop/PC/laptop is Android's achillies heel. It just doesn't make sense to buy an Android device when you have the option of iOS or Win8/WP8.

Maybe you can explain.

I would think that your applications form a large part of the ecosystem. Besides how the UI functions, this is your single biggest drawcard, and why Apple are untouched at the top of the tablet tree as an example. The relationship between the devices is second rate compared to its competitors, and while it does seem logical to have a plethora of Windows 8 devices, Microsoft have not made it compelling enough simply by how poorly intergrated the actual ecosystem really is. For all intents and purposes, I might as well have and iOS / Android device in tandem with a Windows PC. The level of intergration is pretty much the same, in fact one could argue that Windows 8 Phone is a tad behind the others.

If Windows unified their application stores and made Microsoft account management feasible, they would have had a winner. But the sheer difficulty that they have imbued their options with (region changes for example are impossible, neither is merging the multiple Microsoft accounts they made you take out in the first place), means that they are always starting at a disadvantage.
I log into my Google account, and it syncs me with all my contacts, list of applications, my mail, location services, etc. From any device I choose to use. Simple, effective, efficient. Quite the opposite of Microsoft.

It doesn't make sense to buy a Windows 8 device (yet) because it offers zero advantage over iOS / Android, and in fact it actually has a few draw backs when it comes to switching over.

Android was always meant to be a mobile platform. I don't see why Android needs to be adopted in the PC space- Google are smart enough to see that they would be fighting a losing battle. The strength of Android is that your PC environment has no bearing into how well Android can fit in- something that iOS (partially) and Windows 8 definitely cannot match.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Just one thing here with what you've said.

Let me make it clear what I mean by ecosystem. Here I was refering to the relationship between devices brought together by the operating system (e.g Win8 + WP8 = PC/Laptop + mobile phone with seamless interconnectedness, as opposed to Win7/8 + Android or OS X + Android). I was not refering to apps only.

Eco system means nothing when its only Skin deep. People do not go for eco systems because they all look the same, they go for it because they do not have to buy things over and over again. You know, buy once use all over the place.

Windows constitutes the more important component of most people's computing life. Those who use computers, 9/10 they are using a Windows PC/laptop. It just makes sense to buy a Windows Phone. Therein lies Windows's trump card and Android's fatal flaw.

Oh so the people that use Android now do not use Windows or did not have an option to go for Windows Phone or Windows Mobile, that is new to me. Again your lack of experience and knowledge comes out strong. How is using a Microsoft Desktop forcing people to buy Windows Phones you tell me?

If I were Google, I would put more effort into expanding the adoption of Chrome books because the lack of Android/Google devices on the desktop/PC/laptop is its achillies heel. It just doesn't make sense to buy an Android device when you have the option of OS X + iOS or Win8 + WP8. Android does not have a complete story.

Maybe you can explain.

Nope, you think Google is trying to sell you an OS or software, they are not. They are giving you services for free so that they can target you with adverts. They do not care how you access those services and the only reason Android exist is so that they can create a moat to protect the real castle.... Ads. Microsoft on the other hand is selling you the OS and the software then just to be extra greedy they target you with ads as well.

Edit: Oh before I forget, Samsung is not new to Windows either, they have sold Microsoft devices since way before Android was even an idea in Andy's mind. So they did not side with Windows 8 they just sell whatever people are buying like they did with Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7. If people want Bada, here we have a Samsung, Want Android, here have a Samsung, Oh you want Microsoft, here have a Samsung, hell Samsung even had Symbian phones when the OS was selling.

TL;DR They selling Samsung not an OS.

 

[kingrob]

We can all debate this endlessly, but the explanation why Android is chewing up its competitors, was actually mentioned in a MyBB article.

Android is open, everyone can customize it as they see fit (XDA Developers comes to mind immediately ), whereas iOS and Windows Phone 8 does not roll like that. And that is also Android's biggest strength.

They get constant feedback from manufacturers & the community, so if you give people what they want, it's guaranteed you're gonna get the sales & the innovation awards. Microsoft and Apple decide for you what you will get.

The last reason is very personal, but I think that's how a lot of people see it, and feel about it. Google is the coolest, geekiest company ever. They go and do virtual walkthroughs of museums, underwater reefs, so that you can experience being there, without being there, in the comfort of your home.

Microsoft and Apple don't work like that, they just worry about their shareholders and getting maximum profit out of the public.

And that is why that little green robot is the world champion to me.

 

[AJKock]

Good thing Android is awesome then. WP is only reasonably fast because it lacks even basic funtionality...

Actually if you followed the "Beaten by Windows Phone 7" series, you will think twice about saying Android is faster. Single core Windows Phones were beating dual core Android phones.

Lack basic functionality? Seriously? Talk, sms, email, browse, social integration, camera, video, calendar, maps with live traffic? What "basic" features aren't included?

@kingrob Wait, the average user loves tinkering with his phone's technical side? Which planet are you from? Samsung is selling well as a brand. The geeks are pushing Android at the stores. Does your non-tech mother, father or sister even know what an OS is? Google might not be making money from you (as those greedy MS or Apple people might try to do), but Google sure is making a bucket load of money via their ad networks on your phone. Just because you don't see it upfront, it doesn't mean Google is not taking your money.

 

[HapticSimian]

Actually if you followed the "Beaten by Windows Phone 7" series, you will think twice about saying Android is faster. Single core Windows Phones were beating dual core Android phones.

You mean the 'Smoked by Windows Phone' campaign, which was all smoke and mirrors? If you think that's proof of anything you're likely the perfect Windows Phone candidate.

@kingrob Wait, the average user loves tinkering with his phone's technical side? Which planet are you from? Samsung is selling well as a brand. The geeks are pushing Android at the stores. Does your non-tech mother, father or sister even know what an OS is?

Android offers the full gamut of tinkering and customisation; my mom might not be replacing Android 2.3 with Android 4.0.3 on her phone any time soon, but she might want to change the wallpaper. Or the layout of her home screen. Or the colour scheme of the menus. Even if she needs help... Oh, and having 70% of the smartphone market in a quarter goes a bit beyond a few 'geeks pushing Android at the stores'.

Google might not be making money from you (as those greedy MS or Apple people might try to do), but Google sure is making a bucket load of money via their ad networks on your phone. Just because you don't see it upfront, it doesn't mean Google is not taking your money.

Not on my phone, they don't. Even so I for one welcome our new Android overlords.

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[semaphore]

This is the typical age old debate Linux vs windows in the end it comes down to preference. Having used android for 4 years I'm bored of it. Gone are the days where I want to flash my phone.

Working on both development environments I can say with conviction that the android development has got to be the worst I've ever experienced.