This is when Windows 10 will be retired

[wizardofid]

Win 3.1=Great
Win 95=Unstable rubbish. Look at it, it fails, many reinstalls.
Win 98=Bit better than 95
Win NT=Stable.....
Win Vista=Skipped
Win XP=SP3=Great....Still great...You could uninstall everything in device manager without a problem
WIN 7=Great, short lived
WIN 8=Skipped
Win 10=OK, Then Unstable various pathetic updates, now OK. So far It fixed itself after bodged updates and various reboots in each case. I also found if Update hangs at a certain percentage, just diconnect router cable, wait 2 minutes reconnect and it will continue, this is how I made it through various hanging updates=It seems this problem had been fixed. It seems ok at the moment.

Don't forget there was windows 98 and 98se(more ram fix), you also forgot about windows 2000 and windows millennium, additionally windows 8.1. Windows NT actually started before windows 98 and had several versions, technically windows 2000 was based on NT, however it was far more usable then previous versions outside of the workstation environment.

Windows 2000 was the preferred OS for gaming for me, until mickeysoft stopped updating dependencies like directX and made it windows XP only. Windows 2000 by far was the most stable and awesome OS I used at the time

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

All I want is all settings to be uniform and in one place. Screw the ancient ou toppies wanting their "control panel" .

Actually some of the old toppies want the c prompt back. Can you imagine? sadly I can.

 

[supersunbird]

This is interesting..

I'm wondering if this isn't a precursor to them labelling specific builds as EOS rather than the version itself, but its just easier to start with the version having an EOS entry for the moment while they figure out the logistics of how to do this within a version of Windows itself.

Some builds (had someones 1803 do that recently) already advise they are out of support and ask you to update. And have had issues on older builds, like a new Office 365 install not working lekker on 1607 and Teams also sometimes not liking 1803 and older.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

So your only gripe is because some of the UI is still dated. Obviously, you're not in the development space so you don't fully understand what's required in order to build the UI that you use daily. Here's a hint, it's not drag and drop in visual studio (for the majority), most of these dialogues are written using raw windows API's.

Is that was passes for tough these days? (mind you, all those brackets) When i was last in the development space (we didn't call it that) the drudgery was raw assembler. Our products were not as lovely.

 

[Moto Guzzi]

Don't forget there was windows 98 and 98se(more ram fix), you also forgot about windows 2000 and windows millennium, additionally windows 8.1. Windows NT actually started before windows 98 and had several versions, technically windows 2000 was based on NT, however it was far more usable then previous versions outside of the workstation environment.

Windows 2000 was the preferred OS for gaming for me, until mickeysoft stopped updating dependencies like directX and made it windows XP only. Windows 2000 by far was the most stable and awesome OS I used at the time

I remember 98SE, but the others you mentioned I skipped, I do now remember about them.

With XP, I could upgrade processor(Everybody said i must reinstall os), and over many years never had to reinstall XP, I could fix every instability by uninstalling something from device manger and then reboot twice, windows 10 seems tough so far, managed my way through it without re-installing, it seems SSD's going to be a hammer blow.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Some builds (had someones 1803 do that recently) already advise they are out of support and ask you to update. And have had issues on older builds, like a new Office 365 install not working lekker on 1607 and Teams also sometimes not liking 1803 and older.

Yeah, was pointed out to me... And I looked like an idjit for not knowing that already...

 

[grok]

What happened to Microsoft saying there will never be a Windows 11?

Typical Microsoft backtrack tho, memebr the start menu hoohaa..?

 

[CataclysmZA]

If true, Windows 11 will probably lose the bloat Windows 10 has which is associated with backward compatibility and as a result many devices will not be able to upgrade from 10 to 11. 32 bit comes to mind

Also expect better Arm support

All the Win32 stuff is still there. That's not going away. There isn't a 32-bit ISO, which tallies with the expectation that Windows 11 machines will need to at least support AVX 2.0, have a UEFI BIOS, and support a TPM 2.0 module.

The requirement for UEFI and TPM knocks out a huge swathe of hardware from upgrading. That alone should reduce some bloat.

Interestingly the ISO floating about is 4.5GB in size and doesn't have debug symbols turned on. There's more stuff in the build that hasn't been enabled yet.

They never said that. What they said was that Windows 10 was the last current version of Windows. Why people ran with this to mean that there will never be a next version of Windows I don't know.

Maybe that's because it's literally what they said? Windows 10 was going to be the last "version" of Windows.

It was Microsoft's messaging that was mixed up. Terry Myerson's plan was for devices that shipped with Windows 10 in 2015 to be supported for the next ten years. From the perspective of users on Windows 10, the idea was that it would be the last version. Support would continue until 2025, at which point they'd get a new machine with just "Windows" on it.

I'll upgrade as usual.
I still believe it's a hassle. Just update 10.

Check if your machine supports TPM 2.0, even if it doesn't have the module for it.

A lot of old stuff won't work without replacing a few dll files, which you'll have to do for every version upgrade moving forward.

If you are saying what I think you are saying, they may need legislation to be passed in order to make it legal.
Are you?

Windows 10 was already going to be EOL by 2025, it's not that surprising.

Microsoft commits to 10-year support lifecycle for Windows 10

It's been a bad week for conspiracy theorists. As the Windows 10 launch nears, Microsoft is clearing up loose ends. Today's announcement of a 10-year support commitment for Windows 10 should remove one persistent bit of FUD from the discussion.

www.zdnet.com

 

[ToxicBunny]

Typical Microsoft backtrack tho, memebr the start menu hoohaa..?

I don't know if I would call this a backtrack necessarily and more a marketing thing. Things change in a marketplace over 6 years, and the intentions and direction from 6 years ago may no longer hold true anymore.

It will still be Windows 10 under the hood with nice new UI and branding.

 

[w1z4rd]

Im not buying Windows .... again. Its like 3k each time (if you dont buy shady keys).

 

[w1z4rd]

Win 3.1=Great
Win 95=Unstable rubbish. Look at it, it fails, many reinstalls.
Win 98=Bit better than 95
Win NT=Stable.....
Win Vista=Skipped
Win XP=SP3=Great....Still great...You could uninstall everything in device manager without a problem
WIN 7=Great, short lived
WIN 8=Skipped
Win 10=OK, Then Unstable various pathetic updates, now OK. So far It fixed itself after bodged updates and various reboots in each case. I also found if Update hangs at a certain percentage, just diconnect router cable, wait 2 minutes reconnect and it will continue, this is how I made it through various hanging updates=It seems this problem had been fixed. It seems ok at the moment.

Windows 3.1 was kaaak. Using Trumpet winsock to connect to the internet.
Windows 95 was a huge improvement from 3.1 to 95.
How you got those two mixed up is beyond me.

 

[ToxicBunny]

And there we have another contradicting usage report...

More a realistic picture of desktop OS marketshare based on stats and market movements.

Windows has lost a bit of ground to MacOS in the premium space (not huge chunks but still some).
They've also lost ground to ChromeOS in the low end space as well.

Linux hasn't made anywhere near the inroads people would like it to in the desktop space.. and honestly thats probably never really going to change much unless there is a serious commercial push on Linux from a big player or two.

 

[Napalm2880]

You still missing the point

You said, and you went and proofed your own statement wrong by pointing out how many titles there are ?
I'd love to run Ubuntu as my primary OS but...
1. It's no good for gaming <---- This is a big disadvantage.

What I said still holds.

No. of supported games on linux is irrelevant since gains here have not influenced market share in any meaningful manner. Less than 1% of steam gamers actually use Linux for gaming either because it's perceived as not being good for gaming or because it isn't actually good for gaming.

 

[wizardofid]

What I said still holds.

No. of supported games on linux is irrelevant since gains here have not influenced market share in any meaningful manner. Less than 1% of steam gamers actually use Linux for gaming either because it's perceived as not being good for gaming or because it isn't actually good for gaming.

No it's because less the 1% use linux(steam only)....has nothing to do whether they want to or not game on linux. Since when is steam survey the go to resource to proof a point. You can install origin on linux, GOG still support and have linux games.Epic games also works on linux thanks to lutris.

Lets not forget wine as well, which might actually be skewing steam survey results, additionally there are people who also don't use or partake in steam survey results of course.

What you said doesn't hold up well.........

 

[DA-LION-619]

No it's because less the 1% use linux(steam only)....has nothing to do whether they want to or not game on linux. Since when is steam survey the go to resource to proof a point. You can install origin on linux, GOG still support and have linux games.Epic games also works on linux thanks to lutris.

Lets not forget wine as well, which might actually be skewing steam survey results, additionally there are people who also don't use or partake in steam survey results of course.

What you said doesn't hold up well.........

How’s Nvidia drivers support for Linux now?

 

[wizardofid]

How’s Nvidia drivers support for Linux now?

Have no idea using AMD and it is pretty solid Obviously there is some delay on driver support.But it is hardly as bad as it use to, popular linux versions generally have driver support quickly enough.

 

[Napalm2880]

No it's because less the 1% use linux(steam only)....has nothing to do whether they want to or not game on linux. Since when is steam survey the go to resource to proof a point. You can install origin on linux, GOG still support and have linux games.Epic games also works on linux thanks to lutris.

Lets not forget wine as well, which might actually be skewing steam survey results, additionally there are people who also don't use or partake in steam survey results of course.

What you said doesn't hold up well.........

You're disputing a detailed survey of the largest gaming platform in the world and you're claiming what I say doesn't hold up

 

[wizardofid]

You're disputing a detailed survey of the largest gaming platform in the world and you're claiming what I say doesn't hold up

120 million steam users with 62 million active daily, there is 1.8b gamers of which 62% is PC gamers.Which is about 684 million people, which means 564 million PC gamers is not accounted for by steam.

With steam only accounting for what 25%+- of the ENTIRE PC gaming market.

Yeah it doesnt hold up well.

lol thanks for playing, but unless you can proof that the other 564 million PC gamers is magically windows only users, you pretty much proofed nothing but your complete ignorance in magically assuming 25% market share dictates the entire segment of the PC gaming market. lol


And FYI those are old stats used for amount of gamers, steam users is from last year, in 2020 the figures moved up to 2.5 billion gamers and PC gamers increasing to 1.3 billion, which makes steam's 120 million users even more of a joke if you use that as ''accurate'' information.

 

[Swa]

Maybe that's because it's literally what they said? Windows 10 was going to be the last "version" of Windows.

It was Microsoft's messaging that was mixed up. Terry Myerson's plan was for devices that shipped with Windows 10 in 2015 to be supported for the next ten years. From the perspective of users on Windows 10, the idea was that it would be the last version. Support would continue until 2025, at which point they'd get a new machine with just "Windows" on it.

Correct the last version of Windows. Not the last Windows version. This has been discussed a lot previously before any of this info leaked so it's not like it was a big secret or that they changed anything. The next "version" of Windows would be Windows AAS where it just keeps updating to the latest components but there's no reason they can't change that.

More a realistic picture of desktop OS marketshare based on stats and market movements.

Windows has lost a bit of ground to MacOS in the premium space (not huge chunks but still some).
They've also lost ground to ChromeOS in the low end space as well.

Linux hasn't made anywhere near the inroads people would like it to in the desktop space.. and honestly thats probably never really going to change much unless there is a serious commercial push on Linux from a big player or two.

We don't have a realistic picture. Current sources use browser statistics which are tremendously inaccurate. You can't isolate unique users across sites. Even doing so on a site by site basis is a mission with privacy software. This is also only applicable for web enabled pc's. The biggest share of the 3rd world market are not and it's also those pc's which are most likely to use Linux.

What I said still holds.

No. of supported games on linux is irrelevant since gains here have not influenced market share in any meaningful manner. Less than 1% of steam gamers actually use Linux for gaming either because it's perceived as not being good for gaming or because it isn't actually good for gaming.

Steam is no longer the benchmark to use. The results would be naturally skewed as Linux users are more likely to use other platforms and distance themselves from DRM. The amount of requests for platforms such as GOG galaxy has markedly increased over the years indicating there are a large amount of Linux gaming users.

 

[wizardofid]

Correct the last version of Windows. Not the last Windows version. This has been discussed a lot previously before any of this info leaked so it's not like it was a big secret or that they changed anything. The next "version" of Windows would be Windows AAS where it just keeps updating to the latest components but there's no reason they can't change that.


We don't have a realistic picture. Current sources use browser statistics which are tremendously inaccurate. You can't isolate unique users across sites. Even doing so on a site by site basis is a mission with privacy software. This is also only applicable for web enabled pc's. The biggest share of the 3rd world market are not and it's also those pc's which are most likely to use Linux.


Steam is no longer the benchmark to use. The results would be naturally skewed as Linux users are more likely to use other platforms and distance themselves from DRM. The amount of requests for platforms such as GOG galaxy has markedly increased over the years indicating there are a large amount of Linux gaming users.

Well on steam at least it is useful if developing specifically for that environment, as you can target specific users and hardware on the platform, outside of that environment the info is pretty much useless as it doesnt represent the market as a whole.