To all potential Felons

I work on the basis of if the artist/game designer is actually good, ill support them, if its crap, ill listen/watch the first 5 minutes, it gets deleted, simple as that. Ironically, without p2p networks and the like, I wouldnt of found/bought the artist anyway.

So if the artist put the effort in, support them guys.
 
I pay a DSTV subscription, but it is impossible for me as a student to watch something at set times during the week. I watch everything on my pc, at 1.4* the normal speed, with an audio filter to correct the pitch. It wastes less time and allows me to be more productive with my day. I sometimes have a free day, and will watch 1/4 a season for a few hours. When media companies cater to my needs I will support them. A black market only exist because the suppliers are either charging too much, or are not distributing the product well enough in various ways. Media companies can stop piracy, by not charging too much, by making it easier to purchase a product, till then I will do as I please and support series and an artist as best I can, but I will not be abused.
 
GavinMannion said:
So Debbie I have now spent 6 months writing down information in my little computer package so that I can sell a new system that will improve your business.

It has cost me R400 000 in man hours and I know only 1000 people will get a benefit from it.

So to break even I need to sell it for R400 a copy plus packaging. So R500 a copy. But now it is going to take me another 6 months to make my next package so I add on another R400 to cover that time. Plus R100 for profit.

It's now a R1000. Fair price

I sell it to you, you give it to the other 1000 people and I am officially f&*ked because you don't think I should be allowed to own information... Thanks for that.

Maybe I should take up knitting instead?

Just because some people/corporations make good software that people buy is no reason to steal more money from them. Trying to justify it is stupid. Pirates put people like me out of work. Thanks....

On a side note do you have any idea how much longer it takes to make software now that we have to build in a million anti-piracy routines as well because some people are to cheap to pay what I ask? Which obviously pushes the price up.

Sorry I don't go for the whole Open Source idea, I do my job to earn money not to better society. If I wanted to do that I would join the police.

Please stop forcing your morality onto my life. Worse than bloody JW's:mad:
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truth is anti-pirating measures usually only affects legitimate users who get frustrated, grandpa joe can't access his email anymore when anti-piracy measures kicks in, on his perfectly legal copy of windows, after he replaces a hard disk. however bill hacker spends 1 minute bypassing the retrictions. (situation is hypothetical) i've never been stopped by dvd companies protecting dvds, never. my female friend however often bring dvds to me, which they hired but couldnt play in a dvd player or on their pcs. i often have to rip in raw, copy to a mobile disk and put it on their pcs. i don't have disk space for movies or even mp3s really, but if that file doesnt get deleted people copy it, therefore he media company encouraged pirate behaviour
 
Natas said:
If someone invented a method to produce clean energy it would be a patentable invention and could not be protected by way of copyright. As per my previous post, there is a global view that information must be free. however the inventor of an invention must be given a way to recoup his expenses and be rewarded for efforts. A patent therefore only exists for ten years. Also for a patent to exist, it must be applied for. A patent application MUST contain ALL the information relating to the invention and will infact not be valid unless it cleary and accurately explains how the invention works.

Patents are then published to reveal this information to the world. this information then forms part of "the state of teh art' and people can then improve thereon, or make furhter advances based on the information in the patent. However, only the owner of the patent can exploit the invention on a commercial basis during the limited time of teh Patent registrations existence. Once the invention is no longer subject to a valid patent it can be exploited by all and sundry.

In this way it can be seen that even the law of intellectual property contains limitations on how people can enforce the monopolies given to them by IP law. but my views on the limitaions and whether they are sufficient is beyond teh scope of this post.
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you might find it interesting that the recipe for coke is not patented/copyright. the formula is one of the best kept trade secrets. which is why there is nothing exactly like coke on the market.
 
edc said:
you might find it interesting that the recipe for coke is not patented/copyright. the formula is one of the best kept trade secrets. which is why there is nothing exactly like coke on the market.
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Would've been quite stupid for them to patent it, would've been freely available in the public domain after 20 years or so.
 
YEAH!

Thats what I love about S.A we are a country where pirates actually band together and pat each other on the back for it!!

Maybe if we're lucky child molesters will start their own thread where they compliment each other and discuss their experiences...
 
Macguyver1 said:
YEAH!

Thats what I love about S.A we are a country where pirates actually band together and pat each other on the back for it!!

Maybe if we're lucky child molesters will start their own thread where they compliment each other and discuss their experiences...
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So you're equating child molestation with downloading a few tv shows? :confused:

Seriously now - think.
 
bwana said:
So you're equating child molestation with downloading a few tv shows? :confused:

Seriously now - think.
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Well they are both illegal.
In both cases you are neglecting the rights of others. (The rights of the company you are stealing from)
In both cases you are harming people, be it a person or a group of people in an organisation.
 
That is a ridiculous argument - fortunately the courts are enlightened enough to notice the difference.
 
bwana said:
That is a ridiculous argument - fortunately the courts are enlightened enough to notice the difference.
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Im sure Child Molester don't see themselves as wrong, child molestation was just an example. What im trying to say is that its odd that people in this country compliment each other for breaking the law, and abusing other people's intelectual property.
 
Ok, say I download an episode of 24 that I missed on Mnet.

Now bear in mind there are no "legal" download services available for South Africans, Mnet is still getting my monthly subscription, and there is absolutely no chance I would have purchased the series on DVD regardless - especially for just one episode.

So now tell me - who's intellectual property am I abusing? More importantly, who will be going hungry this Christmas because of my hypothetical actions?

EDIT - after that you can let me know who's been hard done by my digitising my dvd collection onto my hard drive, hideous crime that it is.
 
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Bwana now you are just taking the p!ss...

If you only d/l one episode of 24 that has been on mnet and digitised dvd's you paid for then you are obviously not in the same boat as someone who d/l's 50 gig a month of movies and series that don't belong to them.

I agree with Macguyver in that it is strange that pirates band together and pat each other on the back... Maybe child molestation is a bit harsh but I see his point.

It's like a bunch of shoplifters going to the pub afterwards and bragging about how many movies and games they swiped from Musica.... It's not cool
 
edc said:
you might find it interesting that the recipe for coke is not patented/copyright. the formula is one of the best kept trade secrets. which is why there is nothing exactly like coke on the market.
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Syndyre said:
Would've been quite stupid for them to patent it, would've been freely available in the public domain after 20 years or so.
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The recipe for Coke is widely available. Economies of scale mean even if you copied their recipe you would never be able to compete on price.
 
Macguyver1 said:
Well they are both illegal.
In both cases you are neglecting the rights of others. (The rights of the company you are stealing from)
In both cases you are harming people, be it a person or a group of people in an organisation.
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You cant compare pirating to child molestation...the only that can accurately comment on the efects of both are michael jackson!! Anyways, pirating violates an economic right, namely the right of creator of a work of art to benefiot economically fromhis creation.

On the other hand child molestation violates the childs personality rights. not heir actual personality, but the rights that attach to their person.

Also, I think that when it comes to pirating you have to think of it in terms of lost sales. If you love Justim Timberlake and you would have stood in the queue to buy it the first day it comes out, but instead you pirate it, then YES you are direcly causing financial loss. Justin woulda made a few cents of your sale..etc..etc...However, we were in Bali where they sell pirated goods in the big shopping malls like they are originals, my wife like Justim Timberlake, I do not, but we bought the CD for like R5.00.....there is now way I woulda bought it from Musica or whatever for more than that.

Did justin lose a sale..NO...but I listened to the CD and if maybe I liked it, I woulda thought that hey JUstin's not so bad, maybe I SHOULD buy his next CD!?!?!? So pirating in my opinion is a form of marketing...Howver, pirating going unchecked would ruin everything. Therefore there must be a balance. Companies must make it a little harder everytime to copy media, and should charge people criminally if they get cuaght. Piraters should carry on doing what they do..its the new world..its very yin and yang
 
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