TomTom defends map data systems following Apple Maps glitches

bwana said:
Feel free to do it yourself, I don't have the luxury of a school holiday.
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Oops....in South Africa we call it a public holiday, not school holiday.

In the UK it's called a banking holiday.

Since you are American, what do you call it in the US of A?
 
Funny how there's time to nitpick about the reason Google maps is no longer on the iPhone :p.

Apple blocked out Google to cash in on revenue, and ended up with egg on their face. I'm sure the situation will be rectified shortly - Apple have the money, and then we can all sit back and hear how "amazeballs" Apple maps is compared to Google maps :rolleyes:
 
kingrob said:
It is very unfortunate for Apple, they can't win this one.

All I see is a big win for Android, either way. :)
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Huh? Google hasn't submitted a Google Maps app to the App Store.
Why are you claiming they have
 
AirWolf said:
Please read previous posts and links ;).
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Well Eric Schmidts comment on the matter when asked if they have submitted to the App Store was "We haven’t done anything yet with Google Maps"
So, I fail to see why you claim they have?
 
JStrike said:
Well Eric Schmidts comment on the matter when asked if they have submitted to the App Store was "We haven’t done anything yet with Google Maps"
So, I fail to see why you claim they have?
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It has already been established from bwana's scrutiny that an app *may* have been submitted, but that's definitely still speculation. The main point is that it was Apple's decision to strip Google Maps out of iOS6 to cash in on advertising revenue.

Now, that Apple screwed up, Apple fans start nitpicking about it being Google's fault? lol :p
 
AirWolf said:
It has already been established from bwana's scrutiny that an app *may* have been submitted, but that's definitely still speculation. The main point is that it was Apple's decision to strip Google Maps out of iOS6 to cash in on advertising revenue.

Now, that Apple screwed up, Apple fans start nitpicking about it being Google's fault? lol :p
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You got that backwards - Google's decision not to license their maps to Apple in iOS6 to cash in on advertising revenue. ;)
 
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AirWolf said:
It has already been established from bwana's scrutiny that an app *may* have been submitted, but that's definitely still speculation. The main point is that it was Apple's decision to strip Google Maps out of iOS6 to cash in on advertising revenue.

Now, that Apple screwed up, Apple fans start nitpicking about it being Google's fault? lol :p
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Huh? When did I say it was Google's fault that Google Maps isn't part of the base apps?
 
JStrike said:
Huh? When did I say it was Google's fault that Google Maps isn't part of the base apps?
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Lets backtrack a bit - Googles app submission being speculative - why is that? Apple wanted their own maps app. Why? They were paying Google huge amounts for Google's app (which is free for non corporates, and is still free for Apple via the browser, which isn't a map app then).

So, if Apple didn't pay any fees, why would that necessarily guarantee a map app submission from Google taking into consideration Apple's decisions to go with their own, and perhaps blocking any free version of Google maps altogether to stop competition with their own product?
 
AirWolf said:
Hmmm, Google deciding not to licence to their biggest revenue stream in terms of maps? :rolleyes: Perfectly logical for Apple fans :D.

I'll repost the linky just for you:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/06/09/apple-is-about-to-reduce-googles-revenues/
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And what's google's biggest revenue stream? I'll give you a clue:
Tens of thousands of additional videos can now be played through the iOS app, notably major-label music videos. That will be made possible by advertising, which was forbidden in the original Apple-designed app.
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That's youtube but why would you think it would be any different with maps?
“Maps are strategic [intellectual property] because they capture consumers' intent of where they want to go, so there's the opportunity to intervene and shape consumers' path,” Sarah Rotman Epps, an analyst for Forrester Research, said in an e-mail.
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kingrob said:
Can you perhaps list the first 100 results of your search?

I'm sure it will help a lot of forumites & we can compare it to Google Maps for a good laugh.
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If you lazy you can always start here http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...n-with-users?p=9007223&viewfull=1#post9007223

AlphaJohn said:
Navfree http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/navfree-gps-live-south-africa/id434220795?mt=8
Waze http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/waze-social-gps-traffic-gas/id323229106?mt=8
and loads of other free navigation tools, and lets not forget the paid ones like
Garman http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-streetpilot-ondemand/id440326367?mt=8
Sygic http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/sygic-southern-africa-gps/id466439447?mt=8
TomTom http://itunes.apple.com/za/app/tomtom-southern-africa/id328193743?mt=8
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Also Urls like
http://m.maps.nokia.com/
http://m.bing.com/maps/
or
http://maps.google.com/
will work on your phone, so just bookmark it.
 
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bwana said:
And what's google's biggest revenue stream? I'll give you a clue:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57510030-93/youtube-launches-new-iphone-app-ahead-of-ios-6-release/Theat's youtube but why would you think it would be any different with maps? http://www.techhive.com/article/2010370/why-maps-matter-to-apple-google-and-others.html
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You're making this too easy :D.

From your first link:

The original deal between Apple and Google on the YouTube app helped remake video for the mobile world, as the iPhone's lack of support for Adobe Flash meant YouTube's catalog had to be re-formatted to work in HTML5. The iPhone's popularity helped make MP4 format the standard format for mobile video. Over the years, it became less important for Apple to have a dedicated app for finding videos that would play on its phone.

At the same time, the Apple-Google relationship has soured considerably since the launch of the first iPhone. Apple co-founder Steve Jobs took Google's development of its own mobile operating system, Android, as a great affront -- and an infringement on Apple's intellectual property. Patent lawsuits are now playing out around the world, and Apple has made a series of moves this year to push Google out of its operating system.

At its Worldwide Developer Conference, Apple showcased a new maps application that will replace the Google-powered app now in use on iOS devices. Removing YouTube from the list of pre-installed apps marked the next step.

But for Google, the YouTube break could represent a significant revenue opportunity. The company says its users watch 1 billion videos a day on mobile devices; enabling ads on their iOS app will help the company reach a large new audience.
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Google benefiting from Apple's decision is just the cherry on the top for Google.

From your second:

Controlling map data isn't just about opening up new sources of revenue, but about locking in users, said Ryan Peterson, a director of product management for Telenav, maker of the third-party Scout app for iPhone and Android. (Incidentally, Scout is now offering a year of its own premium navigation service for free to frustrated iPhone users.)

“Maps are one of the most popular features on the mobile phone,” Peterson said in an e-mail. “OS makers are trying to use their mapping apps as a sticky feature that keeps consumers coming back to their own mapping service.”
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Proprietary hardware and software are nothing new to Apple. Apple's stance on threats is to replace them with their own service. Pretty smart strategy in any case - they're not the most valuable company in the world for nothing. Whereas Google targets everyone with much smaller profit margins per unit (needing higher volumes), Apples products target the middle to upper market segment, which is a cash cow.
 
AirWolf said:
You're making this too easy :D.

From your first link:



Google benefiting from Apple's decision is just the cherry on the top for Google.

From your second:



Proprietary hardware and software are nothing new to Apple. Apple's stance on threats is to replace them with their own service. Pretty smart strategy in any case - they're not the most valuable company in the world for nothing. Whereas Google targets everyone with much smaller profit margins per unit (needing higher volumes), Apples products target the middle to upper market segment.
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From Google's perspective - not renewing the license and having a standalone app is an advantage for them. There really is no indication that Google wanted to renew the license, is there?
 
AirWolf said:
Fair enough, but from the quotes, neither did Apple ;).
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I completely agree - to be honest I doubt either side wanted to renew the licensing.

If Apple really hated google wouldn't we see them dropping the easy gmail integration in Mail (there are other better ways to connect to gmail in iOS) and replacing them as the default search engine?
 
bwana said:
I completely agree - to be honest I doubt either side wanted to renew the licensing.

If Apple really hated google wouldn't we see them dropping the easy gmail integration in Mail (there are other better ways to connect to gmail in iOS) and replacing them as the default search engine?
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I suppose with Gmail and Google search engine being pretty much second nature to a vast majority of people (across many manufacturers and OSs), so altering that part of the experience would ruffle a lot more feathers than other features.
 
AirWolf said:
So, no new app was submitted because Apple dropped the use of Google maps? :whistle:
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Or maybe. . .
Google Inc. has not submitted a new Google Maps application to Apple Inc after the iPhone maker dropped the use of it in launching its newest device, the head of the world’s top search engine provider said on Tuesday.
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one was submitted before iOS6? :whistle:

It's amazing how many completely different things can be read into a simple statement if one tries hard enough. :D
 
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