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Come on PP, 720p plasma vs 1080p LCD? With most Xbox games running at 1080p, the difference is noticeable at 40" and larger.
Pray tell how "gaming and HD content" is comparable to "SD is better on plasma but not some LCDs".
I'm not sure how you deduced a comparison from that. The point is that it's not a train smash if you choose one over the other.
 
Come on PP, 720p plasma vs 1080p LCD? With most Xbox games running at 1080p, the difference is noticeable at 40" and larger.

Yes, if you're sitting less than 2.5m from the screen, and want to end up like Bubbles from Trailor Park Boys... :D From viewing distance, it's generally accepted that you can't tell the difference between HD and FHD. Unless you're Superman... ;) Even a real guru like TYR admits this. IIRC it was in fact him who did a comparison, and he could only notice the difference between HD and FHD while viewing still pictures, or something like that.

Please could you list games that run at 1080p on Xbox, or a link that proves that "most" run at 1080p.

I've heard there are only several games on the PS3 that run at 1080p, so right now I don't believe your statement.
 
Come on PP, 720p plasma vs 1080p LCD? With most Xbox games running at 1080p,

you got a point here, coz most people will probably sit a bit closer when playing games compared to watching tv. thing is, at a comparable price range, I would still go for the plasma coz of the better colours, blacks and 600hz refresh rate. I would be prepared to sacrifice the 1080.

and thats if you are one of the few that CAN NOTICE the difference between 720 and 1080

make sense? :)
 
Please could you list games that run at 1080p on Xbox, or a link that proves that "most" run at 1080p.

I've heard there are only several games on the PS3 that run at 1080p, so right now I don't believe your statement.

my team member sitting next to me has a PS3 and has a BUNCH of games... He said that his only 1080 game is the new Grand Turismo 5

I would imagine that all the games coming out NOW are probably going to be 1080p... dunno
 
my team member sitting next to me has a PS3 and has a BUNCH of games... He said that his only 1080 game is the new Grand Turismo 5

I would imagine that all the games coming out NOW are probably going to be 1080p... dunno

I'm not a console man, but personally I don't see why now there will be a huge increase in the amount of 1080p PS3 games.

Anyway, I don't want to get into a topic I don't know much about, all I'm saying is I'm pretty sure Mike is wrong about "most" Xbox games being 1080p...
 
i can find

35 full 1080p xbox games (total games available is 796) thats 4.3%

and 26 full 1080p ps3 games (total games available 653) thats 3.9%

:eek:

(excluding upscaled games from 720p)
 
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I had a 480p EDTV Plasma before, and even on this xbox looked awesome, my one friend (with a ps3 and LCD) said he was amased at how good the xbox looked (and he did not even know its wasn't a HD ready plasma) :-P
you have to have 300m glasses to spot the diffrence between 720p and 1080p when playing xbox games
 
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Yes, if you're sitting less than 2.5m from the screen, and want to end up like Bubbles from Trailor Park Boys... :D From viewing distance, it's generally accepted that you can't tell the difference between HD and FHD. Unless you're Superman... ;) Even a real guru like TYR admits this. IIRC it was in fact him who did a comparison, and he could only notice the difference between HD and FHD while viewing still pictures, or something like that.

Please could you list games that run at 1080p on Xbox, or a link that proves that "most" run at 1080p.

I've heard there are only several games on the PS3 that run at 1080p, so right now I don't believe your statement.

I definitely notice the difference between 720p and 1080p bluray rips. Especially on good quality rips. Things like background scenery and broad, distant images are much clearer in 1080p guise. I've tried this 'test' with a 720p and 1080p rip of the same movie. Definitely noticeable imo. And this is from a comfortable viewing distance and not staring at the screen from like a metre away. But obviously the further away you are from the screen, the less noticeable the difference between the two will be.
I'm not sure about XBox but quite a few PS3 games I've come across are 1080p. I've been playing GT5 (which is 1080p) quite a bit recently and the clarity is unbelievable. Depending on what you're viewing, I think the HD vs FHD concept is rather important.
 
I'm not sure about XBox but quite a few PS3 games I've come across are 1080p. I've been playing GT5 (which is 1080p) quite a bit recently and the clarity is unbelievable. Depending on what you're viewing, I think the HD vs FHD concept is rather important.

Most of the boxes I've seen say 1080p on the back. I think they are just saying it works with 1080p screens, or something. Never quite understood, perhaps someone could enlighten. Very, very few games are true 1080p (see HTC_guy's post above).
 
Pooky : What you need to do is go and have a look at both TV's for awhile... and take your xbox, or get them to connect one up to the TV and then decide..

You need to chose the one that looks better to you, be it plasma or LCD.....
 
Most of the boxes I've seen say 1080p on the back. I think they are just saying it works with 1080p screens, or something. Never quite understood, perhaps someone could enlighten. Very, very few games are true 1080p (see HTC_guy's post above).

Yeah, I assume that just means they're just 'upscaled' to 1080p.
 
Pooky : What you need to do is go and have a look at both TV's for awhile... and take your xbox, or get them to connect one up to the TV and then decide..

You need to chose the one that looks better to you, be it plasma or LCD.....

+1

though this one is pretty cut and dry according to his needs

imho

:)
 
I definitely notice the difference between 720p and 1080p bluray rips. Especially on good quality rips. Things like background scenery and broad, distant images are much clearer in 1080p guise. I've tried this 'test' with a 720p and 1080p rip of the same movie. Definitely noticeable imo. And this is from a comfortable viewing distance and not staring at the screen from like a metre away. But obviously the further away you are from the screen, the less noticeable the difference between the two will be.
I'm not sure about XBox but quite a few PS3 games I've come across are 1080p. I've been playing GT5 (which is 1080p) quite a bit recently and the clarity is unbelievable. Depending on what you're viewing, I think the HD vs FHD concept is rather important.

OK, I'm not a big gamer, so really can't comment on the gaming part. I did get the PS3 + GT5 combo now (as a 3D source for my new LCD), so will do some tests soon ...

Instead of comparing 2 different rips (one at 720p and one at 1080p) ... they may have completely different compression settings etc. I have previously done the following little test (like Postman said)... My AVR has two HDMI outs, so I was able to run the same 1080p feed from an Oppo BDP83 (so BluRays, not rips) to two panels, one 50" FullHD (1920x1080), the other 50" HD Ready (1366x768), but the last one was at least also capable of processing a 1080p signal. Viewing distance 2.9m.

On feature films I could not detect any difference in detail, honestly nothing. If you paused the pic and closely examined certain parts, sure, you could see differences, but could still not really tell which one was sharper. Feature films, together with their 24Hz frame rate tend to use bigger appertures on the cameras to have a bit of a softer picture and honestly you do not need more than 720p.

On some other material like nature documentaries (ie. Planet Earth) and some Classical music concerts, the cameras tend to give a sharper picture, and OK, on these having the sets side by side, you could detect very slight differences, but actually so small that if you had to do the test with the panels in different rooms, so you could only view one at a time, I think it would be very hard to tell them apart. Same goes for Pixar type movies.

So, maybe to say there is NO difference would be wrong, but I would say every other aspect of the panel is probably more important. ... If you're gonna get very close to a 50" screen, the dotpitch (correct term??) on an HD Ready might become an issue though, but really not the amount of detail.

That said, 720p sets have one huge problem (and I'm not joking on this one):
When someone sees your new TV it will always go like this:
Visitor: Hey, nice new TV. Is it FullHD?
You: Em, no, ... bla bla bla ... explain explain explain
Visitor: I see.

With a FullHD set you get:
Visitor: Hey, nice new TV. Is it FullHD?
You: YES
Visitor: Nice.
 
... those nature doccumentaries and live music concert BluRay's are always in 1080i, though ... never 1080p, weird ... anybody know why?
 
... those nature doccumentaries and live music concert BluRay's are always in 1080i, though ... never 1080p, weird ... anybody know why?

You're asking us? Thought you'd be the one to know. :D

Excellent and informative post above btw. Thanks.

Food for thought for our new friend Mike I'm sure.

;)
 
Food for thought for our new friend Mike I'm sure.
Nah it's cool, I really don't want to become a part of this squabble :p

I still maintain that the best thing to do is to physically compare sets side-by-side, and take into account your needs. There is no such thing as crap whichever way you go :)
 
Nah it's cool, I really don't want to become a part of this squabble :p

I still maintain that the best thing to do is to physically compare sets side-by-side, and take into account your needs. There is no such thing as crap whichever way you go :)

For SD TV and sport, there is such a thing as crap, and that would be mid range LCD. Absolutely no squabbles there. And no squabble that the 42C430 offers a superior picture to said similarly priced LCDs. No question about it. :)

Cheers mate.
 
OK, I'm not a big gamer, so really can't comment on the gaming part. I did get the PS3 + GT5 combo now (as a 3D source for my new LCD), so will do some tests soon ...

Instead of comparing 2 different rips (one at 720p and one at 1080p) ... they may have completely different compression settings etc. I have previously done the following little test (like Postman said)... My AVR has two HDMI outs, so I was able to run the same 1080p feed from an Oppo BDP83 (so BluRays, not rips) to two panels, one 50" FullHD (1920x1080), the other 50" HD Ready (1366x768), but the last one was at least also capable of processing a 1080p signal. Viewing distance 2.9m.

On feature films I could not detect any difference in detail, honestly nothing. If you paused the pic and closely examined certain parts, sure, you could see differences, but could still not really tell which one was sharper. Feature films, together with their 24Hz frame rate tend to use bigger appertures on the cameras to have a bit of a softer picture and honestly you do not need more than 720p.

On some other material like nature documentaries (ie. Planet Earth) and some Classical music concerts, the cameras tend to give a sharper picture, and OK, on these having the sets side by side, you could detect very slight differences, but actually so small that if you had to do the test with the panels in different rooms, so you could only view one at a time, I think it would be very hard to tell them apart. Same goes for Pixar type movies.

So, maybe to say there is NO difference would be wrong, but I would say every other aspect of the panel is probably more important. ... If you're gonna get very close to a 50" screen, the dotpitch (correct term??) on an HD Ready might become an issue though, but really not the amount of detail.

It's really six of one and half a dozen of the other when it comes to HD vs FHD. I still think I can tell the difference here and there ;) But yeah, other factors like video compression etc. do come into play though where rips are concerned.
I've watched my nephews playing Prototype & Fight Night Round 4 which I think are both 1080 on XBox on a 32" HD Ready Sony as well as 40" FHD Sinotech (?). The games did look crisper on the 40" but not to an extent that one could say the differences were blatant.

That said, 720p sets have one huge problem (and I'm not joking on this one):
When someone sees your new TV it will always go like this:
Visitor: Hey, nice new TV. Is it FullHD?
You: Em, no, ... bla bla bla ... explain explain explain
Visitor: I see.

With a FullHD set you get:
Visitor: Hey, nice new TV. Is it FullHD?
You: YES
Visitor: Nice.

Yeah... very true.
 
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