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Dolby said:
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-Pn50c550-Plasma-Hdtv-Review/Conclusion.htm\

This is quite interesting on the PN50 C550 ...

The color performance was weak, with choppy gradient transitions and a lack of detail in both shadows and highlights. The biggest problem, though, was screen burn-in. Regular movie watchers may not even notice a problem if the scene is constantly shifting, but sports fans and gamers frequently have graphics fixed in the same position for hours. That could mean lingering ghost images for hours afterwards.

Overall, the Samsung PN50C550 is certainly not the best 50-inch we've reviewed, but it could be the right TV for the right kind of buyer. It got all the makings of a great choice for the serious movie cinephile.
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One review means very little. I have read quite a bit on that site and they are definitely biased towards LCD, like you. Some users have reported choppy gradient transitions on that set, that were fixed after tweaking - that's about it. And the review didn't say that IB-I is a problem with that set, they are saying it's a possibility, based on their understanding of the plasma technology. Sorry to rain on your parade.

This is the TV that beats everything - right?
The same one without IR and burn in?
The same one you highly recommend for gaming?
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How do you make this stuff up? Where does it come from? :confused:
 
Why would I be biased?
I had both and chose one?

Those are actually lab / objective tests rather than a subjective test based on that specific set. They can't blunder an objective test :)
 
Dolby said:
Why would I be biased?
I had both and chose one?

Those are actually lab / objective tests rather than a subjective test based on that specific set. They can't blunder an objective test :)
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*snore*

You are a gamer paranoid about IB-I and too finicky to consider you might have a few minutes of IR after a day of gaming that would be resolved after 5 minutes by changing channels.

You are not an avid SD TV/sport lover.

Plasma is better for SD TV/sport. Could not care less about your review site, for realz.

The number of plasma buyers speaks volumes. 'Nuff said.
 
PostmanPot said:
Could not care less about your review site, for realz
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So - at your discretion - we chose to turn a blind eye to certain LCD models and certain LCD review sites?

Smart way to win a debate ;)
 
Dolby said:
So - at your discretion - we chose to turn a blind eye to certain LCD models and certain LCD review sites?

Smart way to win a debate ;)
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That review site is full of a bunch of crooks who will never negate the fact that SD TV/sport is best on plasma. Finished and klaar now.
 
PostmanPot said:
That review site is full of a bunch of crooks who will never negate the fact that SD TV/sport is best on plasma. Finished and klaar now.
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They TEST motion.

Though, unlike you, people use their TVs for other things as well ... so they test the TV as a whole

Here's your motion test :

The Samsung PN50C550 proved to have a very smooth motion performance, which is something that we typically see in plasmas. They manage avoid the clippy, stuttering motion that we see in bad LCD TVs

While the motion was smooth, the Samsung PN50C550 experienced some very distinct problems with motion artifacting. We noticed that images of complex color and detail – say, for instance, a face – becomes color-banded and blocky when in motion. Unfortunately, complex color and detail pretty much described most TVs and movies. However, large, simple blocks of color and detail looked perfectly fine. Usually, when a TV chokes on one, it also chokes on the other. We've seen it time and again. We had to split the difference and give the Samsung PN50C550 a decent score.

The Samsung PN50C550 can certainly accommodate native 24fps content, like you might get with a Blu-Ray movie, but it's not a perfect picture. During slow, horizontal pans, we noticed obvious stuttering due to poor 3:2 pulldown

And here's how it is carried out :

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/How-We-Test.htm#motion

They also used software designed for motion testing :

http://www.displaymate.com/
 
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Looking at the THe again today , I noticed that on the plasma if you look closely,you can see little dots of colour. This results in text etc bring less clear to my eyes, while the lcd text is clearly defined and you can read it at ease from far away .
 
Oh no ... here come a barrage of reasons because - as you'll see in the few posts of this thread - it's impossible for a plasma to be bad.

Did the salesman have any influence over you at the time of viewing?
Maybe he setup the plasma to be 'bad' on purpose?
Was the plasma faulty?
Maybe you need glasses?
Maybe he had different feeds?
 
Pooky said:
Looking at the THe again today , I noticed that on the plasma if you look closely,you can see little dots of colour. This results in text etc bring less clear to my eyes, while the lcd text is clearly defined and you can read it at ease from far away .
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Screen Door Effect perhaps?
 
Pooky said:
Looking at the THe again today , I noticed that on the plasma if you look closely,you can see little dots of colour. This results in text etc bring less clear to my eyes, while the lcd text is clearly defined and you can read it at ease from far away .
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The LCD also has little dots of colour. :D

What sort of text? I seriously can't notice any difference in movies/TV/news etc.
 
Dolby would you go for the LCD for mainly SD movies and tv, NO sport, and xbox?
 
I don't watch SDTV - so I wouldn't really be able to assist :/

Perhaps when it comes to SDTV the best person to speak to would be TYR?

I'd definatley go for Xbox 360 on an LCD over a plasma. I used to game on my plasma and - apart from the image retention at the end of the game - your mind constantly bugs you about resting and every other static image you get. Black levels and colour are extremly similar anyhow - and LCD is brighter and more dynamic.

I'd actually be hesitant to recommend a plasma for gaming :/

That's my opinion though.
 
Hehe ... haven't visited the forums for while ... I see I've missed lots of "entertaining" posts ...

Anyway ...

Dolby said:
They TEST motion.

Though, unlike you, people use their TVs for other things as well ... so they test the TV as a whole

Here's your motion test :

The Samsung PN50C550 proved to have a very smooth motion performance, which is something that we typically see in plasmas. They manage avoid the clippy, stuttering motion that we see in bad LCD TVs

While the motion was smooth, the Samsung PN50C550 experienced some very distinct problems with motion artifacting. We noticed that images of complex color and detail – say, for instance, a face – becomes color-banded and blocky when in motion. Unfortunately, complex color and detail pretty much described most TVs and movies. However, large, simple blocks of color and detail looked perfectly fine. Usually, when a TV chokes on one, it also chokes on the other. We've seen it time and again. We had to split the difference and give the Samsung PN50C550 a decent score.

The Samsung PN50C550 can certainly accommodate native 24fps content, like you might get with a Blu-Ray movie, but it's not a perfect picture. During slow, horizontal pans, we noticed obvious stuttering due to poor 3:2 pulldown

And here's how it is carried out :

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/How-We-Test.htm#motion

They also used software designed for motion testing :

http://www.displaymate.com/
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... looks like they have still not sorted out the issues on the Series 5 plasmas ... I bought the 50A550 in 2008 and could absoolutely not live with it because of basically these ^^^^^ issues (especially after forking out R30K on it). Back then I saw the 50A450 at Sound and Image, properly callibrated in good light controlled demo rooms and they looked really good. I then found the 50A550 at Sounds Great and could only view it on the normal "shop floor". I made the mistake of assuming that the FullHD Series 5 would be better in all departments than the HD Ready Series 4, so I bought one. I really had sleepless nights that week after seeing how bad it performed at home. At least Sounds Great was willing to take it back and they sourced me a KURO.
 
Dolby said:
I don't watch SDTV - so I wouldn't really be able to assist :/

Perhaps when it comes to SDTV the best person to speak to would be TYR?

I'd definatley go for Xbox 360 on an LCD over a plasma. I used to game on my plasma and - apart from the image retention at the end of the game - your mind constantly bugs you about resting and every other static image you get. Black levels and colour are extremly similar anyhow - and LCD is brighter and more dynamic.

I'd actually be hesitant to recommend a plasma for gaming :/

That's my opinion though.
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I actually did not even look at LCD's over the past two years because of the horrible way they used to handle SD material ... but it looks like things have changed a bit. My new Series 7 LCD (and I'm pretty sure the series 6 is identical in this regard) honestly displays any SD material (yip, sport as well) at least as good as my plasmas, never expected it, but really I can not fault the LCD at all.

I'm not big on gaming ... only bought a PS3 now and mainly as a 3D source. I only have GT5 and on that I guess input lag and refresh rates are not as important as it might be on FPS games. My guess would be that hardcore gamers will enjoy the quicker refresh and response times of plasma, but I would just always find it a bit more comfortable to leave static images on an LCD ... even though I have never even seen the slightest traces of image retention on my KURO. ... my LG plasma do suffer from IR.
 
TYR said:
I actually did not even look at LCD's over the past two years because of the horrible way they used to handle SD material ... but it looks like things have changed a bit. My new Series 7 LCD (and I'm pretty sure the series 6 is identical in this regard) honestly displays any SD material (yip, sport as well) at least as good as my plasmas, never expected it, but really I can not fault the LCD at all.

I'm not big on gaming ... only bought a PS3 now and mainly as a 3D source. I only have GT5 and on that I guess input lag and refresh rates are not as important as it might be on FPS games. My guess would be that hardcore gamers will enjoy the quicker refresh and response times of plasma, but I would just always find it a bit more comfortable to leave static images on an LCD ... even though I have never even seen the slightest traces of image retention on my KURO. ... my LG plasma do suffer from IR.
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One thing to remember though is Pooky's budget is "around R5000". So it's PS42C430 vs LA32C530.

Please let's not start another "2/3 times the price LCD is as good as half/third of the price plasma at SD TV and black levels" discussion. No one's denying that.

;) :D
 
PostmanPot said:
One thing to remember though is Pooky's budget is "around R5000". So it's PS42C430 vs LA32C530.

Please let's not start another "2/3 times the price LCD is as good as half/third of the price plasma at SD TV and black levels" discussion. No one's denying that.

;) :D
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He's not comparing a R5,000.00 plasma to his LCD ... he's comparing a KURO
 
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