Two speeding bikers caught on N1

[Priapus]

Lmao nice!

 

[genetic]

Lmao nice!

 

[geezer]

At 120km/h its going to take about 100meters to stop. At 300km/h, I wouldn't even want to guess.

Well, at 300km/h you are doing 83.33 meters per second. If you take about a second to see a potential danger, and another second to react, you would have gone 166.66 meters already. Now you will have to bring the bike to a stop, and that will also take another 100 odd meters. Not a situation I would like to be in, EVER!

 

[Dolby]

At 120km/h its going to take about 100meters to stop. At 300km/h, I wouldn't even want to guess.

Many variables - but it's around half that 80m at 120km/h and closer to 500m at 300km/h.

But I'd bet that 30 years back at the 120km/h it took around 30m extra to stop - but that was fine then, it seems.

EDIT : Correction on figures. Scooby was closer - and I'm not adding reaction time

 

[crackersa]

No, these days all manner of road users remove, deface or obstruct their plates in order to avoid your @#%&ing eTolls.

off topic.....

 

[SauRoNZA]

That's just the thing though.

A car without ABS doing 120km/h in the hands of an idiot is about as safe as a bike with ABS in the hands of an idiot doing doing the speed.

Sadly most people who have ABS have no clue how to use it and will release the pedal when it kicks back and brake only marginally better than the car without it sliding all over.

This is of course all in the hands of idiots.

Add some driver/rider education to the mixture and you have a significant advantage.


Adding to that a much higher percentage of motorcyclists have formal advanced training and track experience with high speed situations while only a handful of car drivers ever bother doing that.

It all comes back down to being completely circumstantial.

A trained motorcyclist with a well looked after motorcycle could be easily as safe on the road as the vast majority of skedonks with no training (probably no license) at legal limits.

It's illegal yes. So is having an unroadworthy car...which is more dangerous and yet we see it daily.

Fix the driver education and roadworthy issues first, then worry about the speeding.

 

[HendrieV]

That's just the thing though.

A car without ABS doing 120km/h in the hands of an idiot is about as safe as a bike with ABS in the hands of an idiot doing doing the speed.

Sadly most people who have ABS have no clue how to use it and will release the pedal when it kicks back and brake only marginally better than the car without it sliding all over.

This is of course all in the hands of idiots.

Add some driver/rider education to the mixture and you have a significant advantage.


Adding to that a much higher percentage of motorcyclists have formal advanced training and track experience with high speed situations while only a handful of car drivers ever bother doing that.

It all comes back down to being completely circumstantial.

A trained motorcyclist with a well looked after motorcycle could be easily as safe on the road as the vast majority of skedonks with no training (probably no license) at legal limits.

It's illegal yes. So is having an unroadworthy car...which is more dangerous and yet we see it daily.

Fix the driver education and roadworthy issues first, then worry about the speeding.

Are you saying it is acceptable to speed if there are idiots driving unlicensed unroadworthy skedonks on the road? I don't think that is quite what you mean.

 

[Grant]

But it does solve the problem of people doing 180+ on national roads while there are other motorists all around them. And this happens often. Take the N1 from Paarl to Cape Town and count how many BMWs, Audis and Mercedes come speeding past at speeds in excess of 180. It's ludicrous that our country has reached a point where people think that just because their vehicles can achieve those speeds, they're justified in driving like that.

Zewp, just because your morris minor is incapable of reaching 50km/h it doesn't mean everyone is overtaking you at 180.
Reality is, they are probably only doing 90 -100.
Perception sugarlips, perception.

/waits for bitchslap

 

[KleinBoontjie]

I would love it if they can bring back horses, then traveling coach means something

 

[Grant]

But it does solve the problem of people doing 180+ on national roads while there are other motorists all around them. And this happens often. Take the N1 from Paarl to Cape Town and count how many BMWs, Audis and Mercedes come speeding past at speeds in excess of 180.

why zewp thinks everyone drives too fast:


/stands by for bitchslap #2

 

[Zewp]

Zewp, just because your morris minor is incapable of reaching 50km/h it doesn't mean everyone is overtaking you at 180.
Reality is, they are probably only doing 90 -100.
Perception sugarlips, perception.

/waits for bitchslap

I drive a solid 120 whenever I'm on the highway. I have places to be and dicks to suck. I don't have time to be driving less than 100 on a highway.

If you're not noticing the *******s going past you at 180+ then either you're driving so fast it looks like they're driving 90 - 100 or you're driving so slow that you literally cannot even see them pass you. I've been in enough cars with maniacs to know what 180 looks and feels like and having driven a few of those cars, I know how easy it is to go from 120 to 180.

Installing a device that caps consumer vehicles at 140km/h will solve a lot of speeding issues while still giving you 20km/h leeway to overtake other vehicles as well get somewhere faster in an emergency. There is no reason any normal citizen in SA needs to do more than 140 at any time, except maybe if it's the apocalypse and they're trying to outrun a tsunami bearing down on them at 142km/h.

The point is, SA citizens don't seem to care much about speeding at all. They've started taking speed signs as guidelines, not laws. You literally cannot drive anywhere without encountering people driving over the speed limit, even if it's just driving 80 in a 60 zone. I often get hooted at and flipped the bird because I strictly adhere to speed limits.

Traffic laws- ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[Grant]

I often get hooted at and flipped the bird

i was blowing a kiss as i went past at 192, you just couldn't see straight !

 

[])ragon_\/oid]

Wait a minute, are you two not from cape town? I rate, a 140KM/h speed limit in WC should suffice (not like anyone there breaks the speed limit anyway).

 

[Grant]

Wait a minute, are you two not from cape town? I rate, a 140KM/h speed limit in WC should suffice (not like anyone there breaks the speed limit anyway).

speed limit

wot dat ?

maximum permissible amount of amphetaphine per day ?

 

[D tj]

Possibly a bit of focus lost here?
x2 bikes speeding, albeit fast, yet only x2 out of how many tens or hundreds of thousands of bikes and cars on the road this long weekend....most these others could go 140+ and still plenty 180+ Kph... bit like x1 fart in a shopping mall. EVACUATE????

As to these cars on the N1 and N2 doing 180kph....sorry not seen!!....I spent a fair bit of time working CT - Stellenbosch, CT- Franschoek, CT- Somerset- West, and hardly ever over all the 1000's of km saw a car above 130 /140 kph...most at 100 kph which did surprise me. Remember in almost all cases your speedo over-reads....I try to keep to 120, (125 max GPS) and was the main passer.

 

[Picard]

What's 160km/h+ on an open road with a new, high spec car

compared to

a 17 year old car like mine (1998 model Toyota Corolla 16GL)?

I would be willing to wager a fair amount of cash that a new BMW (for example) would stop quicker and in a shorter distance at 160km/h than my old Corolla would at 120 km/h. ... even though my old Corolla is still perfectly road legal.

Point is ... if traffic officials catch me driving at the limit of the legal speed, they should lock me up and throw away the key just as many people would want to do with BMW drivers that drive at 160.

 

[D tj]

One thing I did notice on the N1/N2 in and out of Cape Town was the high number of people, cell phones in hand, talking and texting...I'm in a van so can see when L hand down texting, often slowly in RH lane texting away .. these x2 bikers I'm fairly sure were NOT on cell phones???

 

[SauRoNZA]

Are you saying it is acceptable to speed if there are idiots driving unlicensed unroadworthy skedonks on the road? I don't think that is quite what you mean.

Not saying that.

I'm just saying every case of speeding isn't one and the same and not every person going over the limit is a "murderer".

Speed is NOT the problem, like Germany has proven already.

Cops should stop entrapping people for speeding and rather focus on the real issues.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I drive a solid 120 whenever I'm on the highway. I have places to be and dicks to suck. I don't have time to be driving less than 100 on a highway.

If you're not noticing the *******s going past you at 180+ then either you're driving so fast it looks like they're driving 90 - 100 or you're driving so slow that you literally cannot even see them pass you. I've been in enough cars with maniacs to know what 180 looks and feels like and having driven a few of those cars, I know how easy it is to go from 120 to 180.

Installing a device that caps consumer vehicles at 140km/h will solve a lot of speeding issues while still giving you 20km/h leeway to overtake other vehicles as well get somewhere faster in an emergency. There is no reason any normal citizen in SA needs to do more than 140 at any time, except maybe if it's the apocalypse and they're trying to outrun a tsunami bearing down on them at 142km/h.

The point is, SA citizens don't seem to care much about speeding at all. They've started taking speed signs as guidelines, not laws. You literally cannot drive anywhere without encountering people driving over the speed limit, even if it's just driving 80 in a 60 zone. I often get hooted at and flipped the bird because I strictly adhere to speed limits.

Traffic laws- ain't nobody got time for that.

Because speeding isn't the problem...

One thing I did notice on the N1/N2 in and out of Cape Town was the high number of people, cell phones in hand, talking and texting...I'm in a van so can see when L hand down texting, often slowly in RH lane texting away .. these x2 bikers I'm fairly sure were NOT on cell phones???

Yup.

You can be damn sure these bikes were paying 100% attention and knew exactly what they were doing when doing it.

The same can't be said for most people in cars.

 

[Zewp]

Speed is NOT the problem, like Germany has proven already.

Bullshit. You can't claim speeding isn't a problem because somewhere in the Northern hemisphere there is a country with a road specifically in place for speeding.

We don't have an autobahn, so speeding is a problem. Saying that they should stop prosecuting is just an excuse to justify reckless behavior. If we ever get something similar to the autobahn, then you can come tell us they should focus on the "real issues." Until then, speeding maniacs is a real issue.

You can be damn sure these bikes were paying 100% attention and knew exactly what they were doing when doing it.

No, you actually can't. You have no idea what those people were doing on those bikes.