Ubuntu in 2009

seriously, If you guys want to bitch about it ..then do..But it will be awesome. So far Ubuntu has time and time been able to impress me with each release. 8.10 (with its proper 3g support) actually saw me uninstall my gentoo installation on my notebook (any person who ever used gentoo whould know that is a big deal) only complaint about ubuntu is that in Linux terms it is quite top heavy (but still light light weight vs windows) but then again it also is pretty much self sustainable aswell I must add...bring on 8.10!
 
<moLe> said:
seriously, If you guys want to bitch about it ..then do..But it will be awesome. So far Ubuntu has time and time been able to impress me with each release. 8.10 (with its proper 3g support) actually saw me uninstall my gentoo installation on my notebook (any person who ever used gentoo whould know that is a big deal) only complaint about ubuntu is that in Linux terms it is quite top heavy (but still light light weight vs windows) but then again it also is pretty much self sustainable aswell I must add...bring on 8.10!
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Don't you men 9.04? :)
 
<moLe> said:
true..blond moment..need to get m coffee haha
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Lol...

The wireless networking and 3G really has gone a step in the right direction with 8.10... but boot times still need a little working on... would be nice to see a really fast booting machine.
 
froot said:
Lol...

The wireless networking and 3G really has gone a step in the right direction with 8.10... but boot times still need a little working on... would be nice to see a really fast booting machine.
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Ubuntu already boots fast! :confused:
 
Slootvreter said:
Ubuntu already boots fast! :confused:
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True, but it could be a lot faster IMO... have heard of a lot of people complaining about its boot time (:confused:), although I wouldn't go as far as to say it's poor. Canonical is working on it though anyways.
 
froot said:
True, but it could be a lot faster IMO... have heard of a lot of people complaining about its boot time (:confused:), although I wouldn't go as far as to say it's poor. Canonical is working on it though anyways.
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Then just don't shut the PC down :D
 
I rarely shut it down... my laptop stays on almost permanently unless I need it's mobility feature.
 
This Linux mallarkey is not suitable for the uninitiated. Its far too complicated, even more than windows especially when it comes to installing stuff.

It isnt ready so stick to windows. At least we know where it goes wrong.
 
Hotshoe said:
This Linux mallarkey is not suitable for the uninitiated. Its far too complicated, even more than windows especially when it comes to installing stuff.

It isnt ready so stick to windows. At least we know where it goes wrong.
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but thats where you are wrong..look if my mother (an 64 year old lady who never touched a computer) can use it then I cant see why you cant..I showed her to a degree how synaptic package manager works, firefox and setup her mail for her on thunderbird and now she is having a blast at it...synaptic package manager is easier than MS install..if you disagree then you never used linux/ubuntu before
 
<moLe> said:
but thats where you are wrong..look if my mother (an 64 year old lady who never touched a computer) can use it then I cant see why you cant..I showed her to a degree how synaptic package manager works, firefox and setup her mail for her on thunderbird and now she is having a blast at it...synaptic package manager is easier than MS install..if you disagree then you never used linux/ubuntu before
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I think the biggest problem is that too many people are far too closed minded - they have gotten into the rut of doing things a certain way in Windows, and cannot fathom doing it any other way, even if it is user friendly because it is different from what they are familiar with.

On the other hand, someone coming from exclusive Linux use, will most likely feel the same way about windows.
 
<moLe> said:
but thats where you are wrong..look if my mother (an 64 year old lady who never touched a computer) can use it then I cant see why you cant..I showed her to a degree how synaptic package manager works, firefox and setup her mail for her on thunderbird and now she is having a blast at it...synaptic package manager is easier than MS install..if you disagree then you never used linux/ubuntu before
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I agree on that one. It's a lot less effort for me to install a program via synaptic (or even the command line if you know the program's name) than doing it via Windows... and it sorts out everything for you. It's way faster too...
 
froot said:
I agree on that one. It's a lot less effort for me to install a program via synaptic (or even the command line if you know the program's name) than doing it via Windows... and it sorts out everything for you. It's way faster too...
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Agree

One reality people have to accept is people (end-users) are more computer literate now than ever before.

I still did a my A+ in 2001 to figure out how USB devices work and how to install Windows using NTFS...

Now in 2009, my computer illiterate wife can sync our digital camera, surf the web, connect using PPP (Neotel) and login / logout, find documents (in LINUX) and power-cycle a USB modem to send SMSs. She is even aware of safely ejecting a flash drive.

Heck, and I don't remember teaching her any of this (and this is a woman who cannot find the colon symbol on a keyboard).

So the argument that LINUX is too technical is falling away - its just tweakable.
 
cbrunsdonza said:
Agree

One reality people have to accept is people (end-users) are more computer literate now than ever before.

I still did a my A+ in 2001 to figure out how USB devices work and how to install Windows using NTFS...

Now in 2009, my computer illiterate wife can sync our digital camera, surf the web, connect using PPP (Neotel) and login / logout, find documents (in LINUX) and power-cycle a USB modem to send SMSs. She is even aware of safely ejecting a flash drive.

Heck, and I don't remember teaching her any of this (and this is a woman who cannot find the colon symbol on a keyboard).

So the argument that LINUX is too technical is falling away - its just tweakable.
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Sounds pretty impressive.... and it also shows you how many people haven't tried Linux yet in its new days :rolleyes:
 
<moLe> said:
but thats where you are wrong..look if my mother (an 64 year old lady who never touched a computer) can use it then I cant see why you cant..I showed her to a degree how synaptic package manager works, firefox and setup her mail for her on thunderbird and now she is having a blast at it...synaptic package manager is easier than MS install..if you disagree then you never used linux/ubuntu before
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I disagree. OpenOffice 3 install was not at all straight forward. In fact, installing anything not in the Synaptics Packet Manager list, is tedious.
 
Slootvreter said:
I disagree. OpenOffice 3 install was not at all straight forward. In fact, installing anything not in the Synaptics Packet Manager list, is tedious.
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Actually it was rather easy - way easy - if you read the instructions.

$ apt-get remove openoffice*
$ apt-get install *.deb
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But if your going to deploy "bleading-edge" then your going to have problems. I don't care what OS your running. OpenOffice3 is still not the default in many LINUX distros.
 
cbrunsdonza said:
Actually it was rather easy - way easy - if you read the instructions.



But if your going to deploy "bleading-edge" then your going to have problems. I don't care what OS your running. OpenOffice3 is still not the default in many LINUX distros.
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Im afraid you missed two more commands. Can't recall them now, but it has something to do with desktop-integration or whatever. Why not something simple than an equivalent to a Windows setup.exe?
 
Slootvreter said:
Im afraid you missed two more commands. Can't recall them now, but it has something to do with desktop-integration or whatever. Why not something simple than an equivalent to a Windows setup.exe?
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Yes, there are some commands missing. The preferred method in which to do it is as follows :

Code: 
sudo apt-get remove openoffice*.*
cd OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358/DEBS/
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
cd desktop-integration
sudo dpkg -i openoffice.org3.0-debian-menus_3.0-9354_all.deb

It took me less than a minute to install OO3....
 
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