Ubuntu in 2009

froot said:
Yes, there are some commands missing. The preferred method in which to do it is as follows :

Code: 
[B]sudo apt-get remove openoffice*.*
cd OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358/DEBS/
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
cd desktop-integration
sudo dpkg -i openoffice.org3.0-debian-menus_3.0-9354_all.deb[/B]

It took me less than a minute to install OO3....
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How long would it take to teach someone all the concepts behind that code, the syntax etc..? One hour/two?
 
Sackboy said:
How long would it take to teach someone all the concepts behind that code, the syntax etc..? One hour/two?
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Not long:

sudo means "run as root"
cd means change directory (as in Windows)
dpkg is a package/configuration tool, and -i is an arguement, as also found in Windows. Here -i mean install. *.deb refers to all .deb files in the directory.

Any questions?
 
froot said:
Not long:

sudo means "run as root"
cd means change directory (as in Windows)
dpkg is a package/configuration tool, and -i is an arguement, as also found in Windows. Here -i mean install. *.deb refers to all .deb files in the directory.

Any questions?
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Actually it means super user do and allows the user privileges of another user (e.g. root).
Any more questions? ;)

A Windows user wouldn't see the cd command (unless they had exposure to Winows 3.1), let alone the switches for it.
*.* also needs a bit of explanation to a newb, as does the Linux directory structure.
Then there are the error messages which appear if you get the spelling wrong.
 
Sackboy said:
A Windows user wouldn't see the cd command (unless they had exposure to Winows 3.1), let alone the switches for it. .
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Erm.. Since I work in a data center I talk to clients (some completely useless at anything technical) all the time and we often talk people through using command line for IP settings or such.

Strange you would make a comment like that when it happens all the time afaik.
 
w1z4rd said:
Erm.. Since I work in a data center I talk to clients (some completely useless at anything technical) all the time and we often talk people through using command line for IP settings or such.

Strange you would make a comment like that when it happens all the time afaik.
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In a data centre :o, yeah, I remember those days, in the dim and distant past.:p

When what happens all the time?? I use WinXP most of the time, and I don't NEED to see the command line at all.
 
froot said:
Yes, there are some commands missing. The preferred method in which to do it is as follows :

Code: 
sudo apt-get remove openoffice*.*
cd OOO300_m9_native_packed-1_en-US.9358/DEBS/
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
cd desktop-integration
sudo dpkg -i openoffice.org3.0-debian-menus_3.0-9354_all.deb

It took me less than a minute to install OO3....
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True, it installs very quickly, but that's hardly a feature, because you would theoretically only do it once.

Sackboy said:
How long would it take to teach someone all the concepts behind that code, the syntax etc..? One hour/two?
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What my question actually is, why the need for all this code, and not something similiar to a SETUP.EXE?
 
Sackboy said:
Actually it means super user do and allows the user privileges of another user (e.g. root).
Any more questions? ;)

A Windows user wouldn't see the cd command (unless they had exposure to Winows 3.1), let alone the switches for it.
*.* also needs a bit of explanation to a newb, as does the Linux directory structure.
Then there are the error messages which appear if you get the spelling wrong.
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Run as root and "super user do", as you call it is the same thing :) Helps when working in a Linux environment :)
I've been using the cd command in Windows for as long as I can remember. First used it in DOS many years ago, even now in Vista or XP when I'm on it I tend to use it....
 
Slootvreter said:
What my question actually is, why the need for all this code, and not something similiar to a SETUP.EXE?
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A *.deb is a "setup.exe" in as much words, but what you are looking for is a batch file that installs it all. There is one in the OO3.tgz file, but often it has clashes with systems and does not install properly. If you thus want to turn those 5 lines of code into an install file, simply copy it into a file and run it with the "./<filename>" command from the terminal.
 
Sackboy said:
In a data centre :o, yeah, I remember those days, in the dim and distant past.:p

When what happens all the time?? I use WinXP most of the time, and I don't NEED to see the command line at all.
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Well it sounds like the whole industry rotates around you.. so I guess everyone else is wrong and you are right :eek:
 
Actually it means super user do and allows the user privileges of another user (e.g. root).
Any more questions?

A Windows user wouldn't see the cd command (unless they had exposure to Winows 3.1), let alone the switches for it.
*.* also needs a bit of explanation to a newb, as does the Linux directory structure.
Then there are the error messages which appear if you get the spelling wrong.
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So what you're saying is that Linux methods for installing are no good because they aren't Windows methods and therefore need to be explained?

Moving to any new OS requires the learning of something new. Linux has a CLI with error messages when you don't type the correct thing. Windows has dialog boxes, both can either require you to do a little research and discover a solution or provide a solution themselves. IMO just because it is different doesn't make it more difficult.

froot said:
A *.deb is a "setup.exe" in as much words, but what you are looking for is a batch file that installs it all. There is one in the OO3.tgz file, but often it has clashes with systems and does not install properly. If you thus want to turn those 5 lines of code into an install file, simply copy it into a file and run it with the "./<filename>" command from the terminal.
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don't forget to chmod u+x lol
 
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Slootvreter said:
True, it installs very quickly, but that's hardly a feature, because you would theoretically only do it once.
What my question actually is, why the need for all this code, and not something similiar to a SETUP.EXE?
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That's what I've been hinting at, but wizardly resistance is futile :p

froot said:
Run as root and "super user do", as you call it is the same thing :) Helps when working in a Linux environment :)
I've been using the cd command in Windows for as long as I can remember. First used it in DOS many years ago, even now in Vista or XP when I'm on it I tend to use it....
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Similar, in that you can also sudo on another user who isn't root.
 
porchrat said:
So what you're saying is that Linux methods for installing are no good because they aren't Windows methods and therefore need to be explained?

Moving to any new OS requires the learning of something new. Linux has a CLI with error messages when you don't type the correct thing. Windows has dialog boxes, both can either require you to do a little research and discover a solution or provide a solution themselves. IMO just because it is different doesn't make it more difficult.



don't forget to chmod u+x lol
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I was countering suggestions that Linux is great for newbs because it's so simple. In fact quite the opposite and cannot be compared to Windows command line because they hardly ever need to see or use it.
 
Sackboy said:
I was countering suggestions that Linux is great for newbs because it's so simple. In fact quite the opposite and cannot be compared to Windows command line because they hardly ever need to see or use it.
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Why would a newb be installing an office suite apart from the one that came bundled with the distro? If they're looking for the latest/greatest, they miss my definition of newb.

For general newb use I cannot think of a reason why you'd have to drop to the CL. For general installation of apps, synaptic is far quicker and more elegant than searching for some setup.exe.
 
chiskop said:
Why would a newb be installing an office suite apart from the one that came bundled with the distro? If they're looking for the latest/greatest, they miss my definition of newb.

For general newb use I cannot think of a reason why you'd have to drop to the CL. For general installation of apps, synaptic is far quicker and more elegant than searching for some setup.exe.
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OpenOffice 3 was not in the Synaptic Package Manager list. I think what Sackboy is hinting at (correct me if I'm wrong here!), and what I also believe is that Ubuntu has to be more simple for people to want to migrate from Windows to Linux. I mean having to read instructions and code to install an office package takes longer than the installation itself.

While the more tech savvy (I'm starting to have that cliche) individuals appreciate Linux, the average user will still prefer Windows because it has a known interface and is simple to use.
 
Slootvreter said:
OpenOffice 3 was not in the Synaptic Package Manager list. I think what Sackboy is hinting at (correct me if I'm wrong here!), and what I also believe is that Ubuntu has to be more simple for people to want to migrate from Windows to Linux. I mean having to read instructions and code to install an office package takes longer than the installation itself.

While the more tech savvy (I'm starting to have that cliche) individuals appreciate Linux, the average user will still prefer Windows because it has a known interface and is simple to use.
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When you install ubuntu you get OOo 2 (not sure which version) - upgrading to to OOo 3 is only for those who can't wait for the next ubuntu release, which I assume will have OOo3. That kind of behaviour is not newby.

Windows may be more familiar to you, it doesn't follow that is is simpler.
 
chiskop said:
Windows may be more familiar to you, it doesn't follow that is is simpler.
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Windows users need the simplicity and familiarity of Windows before they will completely migrate to Linux. I've been told this many times over and it does make sense.

NOTE: I'm not saying **** Linux (like I used to :p)
 
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