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Question of the Day: Are you keeping your Prime subscription?
TofuMofu
Honorary Master
Cancelled my Uncapped and moved to a Local only account plus a shaped ADSL account with Webafrica. It was good enough before and I had no shaping issues so it is good enough now.
Uncapped was a luxury, it wasn't a necessity, so if they want to throttle then there is no need for it at all.
Uncapped was a luxury, it wasn't a necessity, so if they want to throttle then there is no need for it at all.
I am an abusive consumer... Ok not really but close. I am throttled from the 1st of April on my mweb 4mb uncapped account. They told me when i joined that it would be a shaped account during business hours but unshaped in the evenings and weekends. They lied.
diabolus
Executive Member
Can't be! Jack Bauer does not get throttled, he can torture bandwidth out of anything...
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Sting
Ghost in the Machine
@24Mbps!!!
Jack Bauer uses CIA Tokyo Office's 1 Gb NTT connection. When the CIA boys aren't downloading tentacle pr0n, Jack Bauer can do his thing.
I agree
SilverNodashi
Expert Member
You do realize that "uncapped ADSL" is physically impossible, from ANY ISP, or in any form, right? You'll still be limited in the amount of data you download in one single month. For example, a 384kbs line can theoretically download 384kb per second. The way TCP, latency and other factors plays a role as well, and on average you'll be able to download about 30-40kb per second, or 2400kb per minute or 140MB per hour, or about 1TB per month. This takes into account that you're downloading @ 40kb/s every second of the day for 30days and you don't have power dips, Windows crashes, full hard drives, remote connection problems (i.e. server gets overloaded, or goes down, etc).
Thus, you're still capped @ say 1TB per month. Which means all ISP's are running the risk of false advertising and could face legal action?
P.S. don't take this too serious, but you (plural) had a helping hand in this, demanding unlimited internet
Thus, you're still capped @ say 1TB per month. Which means all ISP's are running the risk of false advertising and could face legal action?
P.S. don't take this too serious, but you (plural) had a helping hand in this, demanding unlimited internet
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
You do realize that "uncapped ADSL" is physically impossible, from ANY ISP, or in any form, right? You'll still be limited in the amount of data you download in one single month. For example, a 384kbs line can theoretically download 384kb per second. The way TCP, latency and other factors plays a role as well, and on average you'll be able to download about 30-40kb per second, or 2400kb per minute or 140MB per hour, or about 1TB per month. This takes into account that you're downloading @ 40kb/s every second of the day for 30days and you don't have power dips, Windows crashes, full hard drives, remote connection problems (i.e. server gets overloaded, or goes down, etc).
Thus, you're still capped @ say 1TB per month. Which means all ISP's are running the risk of false advertising and could face legal action?
P.S. don't take this too serious, but you (plural) had a helping hand in this, demanding unlimited internet
No kidding Sherlock? Everything in life has a physical limitation. This thread is not about physical limitations, but artificially imposed restrictions.
Can we get back on topic now?
diabolus
Executive Member
Well by that reasoning, "384 kbps uncapped" IS "artificially imposed restriction" and a direct contradiction in one sentence don't you think? In other words you can't mention a speed-LIMIT and uncapped in the same sentence?
Are you saying if i'm on a 512 line and get the 384 uncapped solution that i have a case for "false advertising" now? [since i'm being throttled] .
And that is why Afrihost can say their solution is uncapped even though they throttle it. Since ALL the uncapped solutions from all the ISPs are throttled TOO! Just becuase your line happens to be the same speed as the solution you chose does not mean the solution is not throttled. If Telkom gave us all 8 MB/s right now, for free...what are you gonna call all these uncapped solutions?
The only thing Afrihost needs to change is the "4096" part, NOT the "uncapped" part. They can call it "mixed-speed uncapped" and no one would have a case.
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
diabolus
Executive Member
um, what?I'm sorry, but none of that made any sense.
What don't you understand?
384 Uncapped = a 384 THROTTLED service .
I assume you agree that it is [by your own reasoning] NOT uncapped ?
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
384k uncapped is 384k uncapped if there are no restrictions, throttles, limitations, caps, cut-offs or any other artificial restrictions imposed. The physical limitation of the line is irrelevant.
diabolus
Executive Member
So since there are an obvious limit and throttle [384kpbs is the limit imposed by the ISP regardless of your line] , it is not uncapped? Right? So we don't have uncapped in this country, NO ONE is offering uncapped.
Since no one on the entire PLANET is offering uncapped, why are we even giving a crap about the term then? It's obvious everyone is assuming there is SOME limit and there will always be SOME limit imposed by your ISP [be it speed,ports,shaping,throttling whatever].
Basically what do you think SHOULD we call a 384 throttled service without a usage limit ?
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
nope, sorry... still have no idea what you are going on about. :erm:
I'm just gonna go over here and do some other stuff for a while, ok?
diabolus
Executive Member
Maybe read your own sentence and how you are totally contradicting yourself.
Shall i quote you again?
Hellooooo...what do you think "384k" is ? A random number?
Are you saying if you call your solution "THROTTLED UNCAPPED" then it is fine? Or maybe "SHAPED THROTTLED UNCAPPED" is a better term? Or maybe "SHAPED-DURING-THE-DAY THROTTLED-AT-60GB UNCAPPED" is sufficient too?
Or maybe i'll just rewrite your sentence:
There we go...so what is the issue again? I suppose we'll all be happy if Afrihost called their "4096 uncapped" offering something like "UP TO 4096 uncapped" ?
Annnnyway, my opinion on the term is uncapped has nothing to do with your speed or throttle . It is purely related to how they bill your DATA usage, regardless of whether you use 10GB or 100GB . Simple. The requirement that most people seem to attach to uncapped is impossible and not feasible to supply.
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
The term "uncapped" refers to the data passing through the line, not the speed of the line. It is unlimited data AT THE ADVERTISED SPEED OF THE LINE, whatever that speed is.
Nobody who signs up for uncapped expects that they are going to have unlimited speed AND unlimited data. They know already what line speed their ISP is giving them.
As long as the flow of data is unrestricted it qualifies as uncapped. Seriously, I can't believe you can't understand this simple concept.
Nobody who signs up for uncapped expects that they are going to have unlimited speed AND unlimited data. They know already what line speed their ISP is giving them.
As long as the flow of data is unrestricted it qualifies as uncapped. Seriously, I can't believe you can't understand this simple concept.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
What speed or throttle? The given line speed by your ISP is what you have paid for. They are not throttling you. If you want a higher speed you can pay for it, or start bonding ADSL lines together or take out a direct line with the Undersea cable providers.
There are also plenty of other providers in South Africa that do offer true uncapped solutions. Sure they are expensive, but they do qualify as uncapped.
diabolus
Executive Member
So i'm not sure what exactly we're debating. Who offers "true uncapped" and who doesn't? Is MWEB's latest offerings uncapped or not? Are you saying Afrihost's 4096-tiered-throttling offering is not uncapped, but Mweb's 512 offering is?
Trick Question (assuming you have a 4 MB/s line) : If Afrihost made their mixed "4096kpbs uncapped" offering [with all the throttling which is clearly stated] service the same price as the "512kpbs uncapped" service of MWEB ....which one is the most uncapped?
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